Elac FS 247.4, a big slap in the face!

[GiBo61]

And a Marantz.

Yes... and a Denon DRA 800H, and a Nad 3030, and an old Sony AV receiver, etc.

 

[daniboun]

My 247.4 Carinas (and Vela BS403) with and without their magnetic grilles

On the white model, I find that the grilles improve the appearance, I like it)

 

[GiBo61]

On the white model, I find that the grilles improve the appearance, I like it)

Well, I guess it feels safer if you have kids around.... unless they start to play with the magnets

 

[Sonhires]

Salut a tous, Paris Istanbul Shanghai, idéal pour tester un système !

Translated by moderator.

Hello everyone, Paris Istanbul Shanghai, ideal for testing a system!

 

[daniboun]

Salut a tous, Paris Istanbul Shanghai, idéal pour tester un système !

I confirm amazing song

 

[Peterson]

Nice speakers, i really would like to listen them for a while. But almost the 600€ are too much for me at this time. Just ordered an aune s17 pro as new preamp. But if anyone here has the money left, here are the first "Black Friday Offers"...

 

[daniboun]

Nice speakers, i really would like to listen them for a while. But almost the 600€ are too much for me at this time. Just ordered an aune s17 pro as new preamp. But if anyone here has the money left, here are the first "Black Friday Offers"...

Great deal ! Personally, I can tell you that I have 10KE speakers at home.... and these FS247.4s have nothing to envy of them! Trust the measurements and not the price, amigos)

 

[n00brx]

I owned a pair of 247.4 and sold them recently,
Maybe I don’t have enough room for the speakers to breath and I found the speaker’s rear port is a really strange design which affecting the high bass a lot. I have my speakers 1 meter away from front wall and the speaker still dip 4-5db in 120-250hz range, which make voice sound very thin. I also have problem a peak at around 900-1000 with 5-8 db. Which I don’t know how you can get the frequency response curve so flat. How many room you give the speaker to breathe to get above result?

 

[GiBo61]

I owned a pair of 247.4 and sold them recently,
Maybe I don’t have enough room for the speakers to breath and I found the speaker’s rear port is a really strange design which affecting the high bass a lot. I have my speakers 1 meter away from front wall and the speaker still dip 4-5db in 120-250hz range, which make voice sound very thin. I also have problem a peak at around 900-1000 with 5-8 db. Which I don’t know how you can get the frequency response curve so flat. How many room you give the speaker to breathe to get above result?

The flat curve you see in the first post of this thread is from a lab report of the i-fidelity.net website and does not correspond to an in room measurement. To the best of my knowledge in this thread there is no in room measuremet of the 247.4 Carinas (I wonder how you determined yours).
I did not do any in room measurerment, however I'm more than satisfied of the sound coming out of my Carinas. In most cases my 247.4 are about 30 cm from the back wall with a foam plug in the speaker’s rear port. Whenever I want them to sound their best, I temporarily move them about 1 meter away from the back wall, remove the foam plug from the back port and enjoy the magic of their sound. I'm sure there are dozens of speakers better than the Elac 247.4, however I doubt it's easy to find something significantly better considering my budget and the maximum sound level I can reach in my apartment. Although there is no logical reason to do so, I foresee that in the next couple of years I will buy a "more serious" integrated amplifier (a Yamaha A-S 1200, now I have a fantastic Sabaj A30a) but I am convinced that the Carinas will stay with me for a long time time to come.

 

[ooheadsoo]

What's the fault of being made in Asia?

 

[n00brx]

The flat curve you see in the first post of this thread is from a lab report of the i-fidelity.net website and does not correspond to an in room measurement. To the best of my knowledge in this thread there is no in room measuremet of the 247.4 Carinas (I wonder how you determined yours).
I did not do any in room measurerment, however I'm more than satisfied of the sound coming out of my Carinas. In most cases my 247.4 are about 30 cm from the back wall with a foam plug in the speaker’s rear port. Whenever I want them to sound their best, I temporarily move them about 1 meter away from the back wall, remove the foam plug from the back port and enjoy the magic of their sound. I'm sure there are dozens of speakers better than the Elac 247.4, however I doubt it's easy to find something significantly better considering my budget and the maximum sound level I can reach in my apartment. Although there is no logical reason to do so, I foresee that in the next couple of years I will buy a "more serious" integrated amplifier (a Yamaha A-S 1200, now I have a fantastic Sabaj A30a) but I am convinced that the Carinas will stay with me for a long time time to come.

I use the measurement mic from minidsp and the curve is quite terrible in the mid and bass range.
But the bass go really deep that surprised a lot by the 5.25inch drivers.
Anyway, it is a good speaker even T the original price of $10000 each. It is a real steal for $1000 /pair

 

[daniboun]

What's the fault of being made in Asia?

No harm in being produced in Asia) It must be read backwards in this case, made in China but efficient despite everything that can be said about Asian productions.

 

[daniboun]

I owned a pair of 247.4 and sold them recently,
Maybe I don’t have enough room for the speakers to breath and I found the speaker’s rear port is a really strange design which affecting the high bass a lot. I have my speakers 1 meter away from front wall and the speaker still dip 4-5db in 120-250hz range, which make voice sound very thin. I also have problem a peak at around 900-1000 with 5-8 db. Which I don’t know how you can get the frequency response curve so flat. How many room you give the speaker to breathe to get above result?

These speakers have actually been tested by several sites. These are not ASR test conditions that's for sure. But unanimously, the response of these speakers remains linear.
We still observe good consistency between the different tests.

"Elac has linear and coherent frequency response with just a hint to rise at the top measured straight from the front (Green). 60 degrees (red) from the side falls
the treble above 10 kHz, fast but controlled." They have a nice impedance (green). Never below 5.5 ohms. Also the phase (red) is discreet even about the changes during
100 Hz could have been a bit softer."

 

[n00brx]

These speakers have actually been tested by several sites. These are not ASR test conditions that's for sure. But unanimously, the response of these speakers remains linear.
We still observe good consistency between the different tests.

"Elac has linear and coherent frequency response with just a hint to rise at the top measured straight from the front (Green). 60 degrees (red) from the side falls
the treble above 10 kHz, fast but controlled." They have a nice impedance (green). Never below 5.5 ohms. Also the phase (red) is discreet even about the changes during
100 Hz could have been a bit softer."

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I think the problem is with my room. But the rear port is not that friendly when there is near front wall

 

[GiBo61]

I use the measurement mic from minidsp and the curve is quite terrible in the mid and bass range.
But the bass go really deep that surprised a lot by the 5.25inch drivers.
Anyway, it is a good speaker even T the original price of $10000 each. It is a real steal for $1000 /pair

The original price of a pair of Elac Carina 247.4 has never been so high ($10000) costing around 2000 Euros/Dollars

 

[n00brx]

mine is $2200 a pair

 

[panosdafter5555]

Hi amigos,

After listening, I had the opportunity to purchase a pair of Elac FS 247.4. I might as well tell you that at €1000 per pair (new), I got a golden deal)
And what a big slap in the face! These speakers are exceptional from the first listen.
For instance : nn the complex title Grare: "Paris- Istambul" - SHANGHAI (which I really recommend to everyone), these speakers were super comfortable, all the orchestration was clear and well balanced. On the title "Another day of Sun" La La Land, same impression, everything was readable and clearly detached.
I took immense pleasure in listening to all my playlist, these speakers simply impressed me! So much so that I still wonder how these speakers with such small woofers could go down so low without a burr! From top to bottom of the spectrum, everything was actually there. In short, I remain super impressed )

Concerning the quality/price ratio: it's difficult to fault them for anything... except that they are made in Asia.
Elac has taken great care with the quality of assembly, the internal cables are even covered in foam to avoid any vibration. As for the design, we stay on simple lines but the basic cabinetry seems well designed. The speakers come with decoupling spikes and everything is well explained in the user manual.

@amirm : I think it would make some of us happy if you could test these speakers)

My Setup :

3E Audio Power amp
Sabaj A30A FDA / Power Dac
Sabj A10D balanced DAC
ELAC FS 247.4 speakers (black)

Summary :

2.5 Way Speakers
Minimum impedance: 5.7 ohms @196 Hz
Nominal impedance (±20% tolerance): 6 ohms
Sensitivity: 85 dB (2.83 V / 1 m; 500-5000 Hz)
±1.4 dB for horizontal dispersion (0/15/30 degrees, 300-10,000 Hertz).
Crossover frequencies: 250 Hz / 2.5 kHz

Measurement sources :

Source 1
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HELLO!

I am a new owner of the FS 247.4 and i would like to ask you if you can tell me whats the minimun room size in order to have proper sound !
thank you

 

[daniboun]

HELLO!

I am a new owner of the FS 247.4 and i would like to ask you if you can tell me whats the minimun room size in order to have proper sound !
thank you

From a scientific point of view, I would say that:

One Simple Tool to Find the Right Size Speaker for Any Space - SoundGirls.org

Forward Aspect Ratio (FAR) and it is simply the shape a speaker makes, defined by length and width. Here's how you can reverse engineer it to master the universe.

soundgirls.org

 

[Roland68]

HELLO!

I am a new owner of the FS 247.4 and i would like to ask you if you can tell me whats the minimun room size in order to have proper sound !
thank you

Thanks to the small chassis and the arrangement of the two bass reflex tubes, they work well even in small rooms. A friend of mine has them in a 12 square meter room, close to the back wall. We adjusted it with a round piece of coarse-pored foam in the rear bass reflex tube.

 

[Romario]

I only they shipped to Ireland I would go for the R100 !!

Diamond 12.2 for only €349,- In Dublin.
that's the pair price I reckon. If not..oeff