does anyone listen to Taylor Swift? tell me what the draw is

[rank]

I don't mind her music, the clips show a bit of ridiculousness with rather wacky outfits and an obsession with moving her pubis.
But it's well done I recognize it easily. She's missing a Steve Stevens, a Slash, a Matt Sorum and a Duff Mc Kagan.
Her nocturnal South Korean pop is much too clean.
Come to 2024 pal!

 

[diddley]

Apparently not. But I am sure that cherry-picked analysis would reveal she is not 100% live-singing 100% of the time. Nature of the beast with big concerts doing complex modern pop overdubs, plus the main act leaping and running all over the place instead of languidly leaning on a piano for 2-3 hours.

Proof

 

[Sal1950]

I'm sure her fans are all better off for her lip-syncing.
It's obvious she's no Linda Ronstadt on her recordings, imagine how bad she'd sound totally live.

 

[antcollinet]

Yep miming in that case.

But there are also sufficient clips of stuff going wrong during live performances that provide evidence that she is not always miming.

 

[Sal1950]

Yep miming in that case.

But there are also sufficient clips of stuff going wrong during live performances that provide evidence that she is not always miming.

Nope, I'm sure she most always has a live mic.
Only it's level isn't high enough to hear her voice break. LOL

 

[vert]

I sincerely hope the video in #483 is not true. As I wrote earlier in this thread when we considered taking our daughter (10 years old) the tickets were $600 - for placement that seemed to be worth it. My country is supposed to be high income but such prices for several family members are half or more of many families' monthly income.
There's a lot that is off with Taylor Swift as with many current-day starlets. I personally find her music dreadful, other than her utter lack of charm. Then the other day I saw this and thought, oh, that lady has everything I like in a great woman singer - there's a soul behind the voice.

 

[Sal1950]

Then the other day I saw this and thought, oh, that's what lady has everything I like in a great woman singer.

She is wonderful !

 

[Sal1950]

Now this girl could sing.
No lip-sync needed

 

[J.M. Noble]

I did sound for Elizaveta (playing solo) a while back, which meant I didn't have much to do for 45 minutes because she basically mixes herself and builds live loops on the fly while harmonizing with herself and playing keyboard. As good as it sounded through my PA rig, soloing her vox channel (i.e. straight from mic to mixing console preamp to my ears without effects or compression) in headphones was a near religious experience. There is absolutely nowhere for an artist to hide in that situation: it's brutally revealing--moreso than if they were just standing in front of you.

She does it in English, French, Russian (native), and Japanese, and she's the songwriter too. Taylor who?

 

[rank]

Her songs are still much better than T.Amos or K.Bush. Of course guys she is not Linda or Joni (folk period huh!) or Dolly (add here your forgotten singer!). But does she dare to refer to it?
I would love to cover one or two of her songs ; in the past I demolished Mylene Farmer with feedback.

 

[Newman]

Proof

Actually that's proof of what I said and what the article I linked said. Thanks

 

[Multicore]

Generally, when someone starts posting Beato videos, they’ve lost

there's a lot of way to complete that sentence. One option is to just add the period.

 

[Multicore]

Well, I didn't post any of Beato's videos, however (a lot!) of modern POP still sucks, one doesn't necessarily exclude the other.

Sturgeon's Law.

 

[J.M. Noble]

Sturgeon's Law.

Noble's Commentary: Sturgeon had rather low standards.

 

[Multicore]

Noble's Commentary: Sturgeon had rather low standards.

Maybe so. Let's say 99 then. But the point remains. Any of us can cite endless examples of crap crap this, crap that, crap the other and I'm wasting everyone's time when I do. Everyone's preferred genres are trivially attacked that way. It's meaningless.

Except Broadway show tunes. Like carrots cut into disks, they are all aesthetically infra dig and unacceptable. :P

 

[rank]

It's best to talk about what we like. It will be shorter.

 

[Robin L]

It's best to talk about what we like. It will be shorter.

While I'm not absolutely sure about this my guess is that the demographics around here skews heavily towards grumpy old men. In other words, not Ms. Swift's core demographic. Personally, her music means nothing to me - there's no point in commenting on music I haven't heard. Most of what I listen to is far outside what most people listen to on this forum, but I'm used to that. My sister, who's only a year younger than me, loves her music, more power to her.

I think this is an interesting thread in demonstrating what it takes to be successful in the current environment for a music performer. The playing field clearly has changed from the days when one could get tickets to hear a big-name act for $10 a pop.

 

[rank]

Old age is not a shipwreck! I listened to TS and I stand by my remarks.
I was very shocked about thirty years ago when I went to see Sonic Youth that these extremist noisemakers were from Madonna's generation and had made a record about her. They were also super-woke (reread the -stupid- lyrics of Youth against 'fascism' uhey we're not in 1950 anymore! The KKK is even mentioned!). But they wrote good stuff. Sometimes.
Concerning the "call" to youngsters, I am deliberately less of a fan, I repeat, NONE of the young people I know and there are a lot of them like my future ex-GF and her friends buy a gram of music, including the devices. They don't even have a computer.
Yes 60 years ago a ticket cost $1 sometimes and I've even seen free festivals.
Which doesn't make us any younger.
Come on, stay positive, in 2025 "everything will be for the best in the best of all possible worlds" (Voltaire).

 

[Newman]

Putting aside the fact that Voltaire was witheringly scornful of the philosophy of optimism aka "we live in the best of all possible worlds", and mercilessly lampooned it in his works by having a pathetic character intone it over and over like a fool while catastrophes reign...

...putting that aside, I do agree that a positive attitude to the work of Ms Swift will be sure to bring some rewards, even for older blighters like me. OTOH when an audiophile friend expressed utter disdain for her music, I briefly tried to find one or two one her songs that might give him pause for thought, and actually struggled. I didn't try very hard though. I reserve my own opinion on her music, for the simple reason that I haven't tried enough of it to be fair.

 

[Lsc]

Her recent recordings (Taylor’s version) is coming up 24/96 on Tidal - good quality. I was gifted her album (CD) about a dozen years ago by my co-worker friend who was the same age as Taylor… I can listen to most of the songs on that album from beginning to end. 2 billion dollar tour Eras tour is impressive. Unfortunately my 2 sons and wife didn’t cooperate going to her concert lol. It’s all good since it saved me about $4-5k.