Dirac ART is now running on beta FW for Denon Xx800H AVRs!

[Harryharryharry]

Damn, you got me excited. Did those devices not support Dirac until just now then? At least that's a step in the right direction.

 

[navier]

Don’t do that to people, you monster

 

[Frank207be]

Dirac should inform us better about all reprogramming progress that's made up till now.

The last video that I found is an Onkyo/Dirac infomercial

 

[Oniiz86]

The ART beta testing phase is completed. ART is fully compatible with AVRs starting from X3800H and up and It's now up to Masimo to decide when to release the FW (It should be sometime this year after April). As for Roon ready certification. I was told that it is expected to be added to all D&M models including older models starting from the X3400H.

Many D&M users have complained that HEOS does not support multichannel music streaming because it is hardware-coded to 2 channels only. To compensate for this limitation. Masimo has started working with HARMAN to certify most of their AVRs as Multichannel capable Roon endpoint. Dolby Atmos music via Amazon HD is also expected to be added along the line.

If you own a Denon X?400H AVR and have the latest FW update, you should notice that Roon is now detecting it as an uncertified device which could only be enabled using a special beta Roon software. Once the certification process is completed, you'll be able to play multichannel FLAC and DSD files using Roon directly (bit-perfect) into the compatible Denon AVRs.

@PHD I know it is inappropriate to discuss here but it looks like legacy AVRs with built-in HEOS will not be receiving Roon Ready certification after all according to this post https://community.roonlabs.com/t/marantz-cinema-line-heos-when-is-it-roon-ready/243953/229 "Denon UK support comments on legacy AVRs Rood Readiness: There are currently no plans of updating our legacy AVR’s to give them Roon Ready support.
No legacy AVR’s will get a Roon Ready upgrade. If customers want Roon Ready they will have to upgrade the hardware."

AVRs which will be released in the future,

"We cannot comment on products that haven’t currently been released. However, we will announce all new product launches on our Facebook page and Denon website once they become available.

However it is highly possible that all future released AVR’s going forward will become Roon Ready."

 

[PHD]

As I posted earlier, Roon Ready for D&M, which was planned for the current 2023 line was dropped and it will be supported out of the box together with the new HEOS+ ecosystem on the next line of AVRs (X?900H for Denon, Cinema x1 for Marantz). No Roon ready for the X4800H, nor Dolby Atmos music support via HEOS.

 

[mikematrix]

It's a bit logical, they need a reason to change their AVR and take a new one

 

[ban25]

As I posted earlier, Roon Ready for D&M, which was planned for the current 2023 line was dropped and it will be supported out of the box together with the new HEOS+ ecosystem on the next line of AVRs (X?900H for Denon, Cinema x1 for Marantz). No Roon ready for the X4800H, nor Dolby Atmos music support via HEOS.

That sucks...

 

[Oniiz86]

As I posted earlier, Roon Ready for D&M, which was planned for the current 2023 line was dropped and it will be supported out of the box together with the new HEOS+ ecosystem on the next line of AVRs (X?900H for Denon, Cinema x1 for Marantz). No Roon ready for the X4800H, nor Dolby Atmos music support via HEOS.

@PHD That can't be entirely right, surely the current D+M models will receive Roon Ready certification like the just announced A10H (X8500HA successor), A1H, X6800H, AV10, Cinema 30 models? This Denon X6800H/Marantz Cinema 30 presentation advertises Roon Ready as "coming soon" at the start around the 1:03 mark,

 

[srekal34]

Any new rumours? Is there still a chance x800h series will get ART?

 

[Frank207be]

Any new rumours? Is there still a chance x800h series will get ART?

You should be more assertive and ask when ART will come. The x800H has DLBC and 4 independent sub outs so it is compatible with ART

Edit: found more info here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...bc-pricing-and-some-other-dirac-rumors.56645/

Mid 2025 apparently

 

[LIΟN]

hi there, Does anyone know if the Dirac ART has a mono bass? (I didn't watch the ART seminar video properly, sorry!) - When a sub integrates with bass from a speaker, what channel matrix does it consist of?

 

[abdo123]

@PHD

You mind sharing any updates if you have any?

 

[PHD]

Still no updates besides the estimated release date, somewhere around April this year. I'm pretty happy with the results in my X4800H using the A1 EVO Neuron v1.6 script, which now can even take multiple measurements directly from Windows, controlling the AVR (even more than 8 points). It is still in preview mode, so the final results could even beat Dirac DLBS and maybe ART as well. it is 100% free, of course.

 

[AudioJester]

Still no updates besides the estimated release date, somewhere around April this year. I'm pretty happy with the results in my X4800H using the A1 EVO Neuron v1.6 script, which now can even take multiple measurements directly from Windows, controlling the AVR (even more than 8 points). It is still in preview mode, so the final results could even beat Dirac DLBS and maybe ART as well. it is 100% free, of course.

Did you use the Audyssey microphone / app for measurements or REW?

 

[gorman]

I'm pretty happy with the results in my X4800H using the A1 EVO Neuron v1.6 script, which now can even take multiple measurements directly from Windows, controlling the AVR

Pardon my ignorance but how does this system handle multiple independent subwoofers? From all I've gathered, these scripts still rely on Audyssey processing at the end. And Audyssey capabilities are supposed to be limited, comparing to Dirac Live Bass Control. Am I mistaken?

Also, I have tried following development but there's been such a plethora of releases, with ever more flamboyant names. It ended up boring me, to be honest. I don't have the time to take measurements every week. I prefer to listen to music or watch movies.
With all (lots of) due respect for the developer.

 

[PHD]

The Neuron script, the odd.wtf program and the menu.bat can now directly access the DSP and load advanced filter algorithms using biquad coefficients and more layers of filters, including phase correction (all-pass filters, missing from the original Audyssey). It basically equips any D&M AVR with Dirac Live + DLBC-like capabilities.

Even when using older AVR models, Neuron could perform separate subwoofers measurements and load separate subwoofer filters.

I've used both REW and AVR measurements, and both the results were great, but of course, if you have an Umik-1/2, better use REW.

At some point, REW Pro capabilities would also be added so you could use Umik-X object mic array, which would bring D&M AVRs to Trinnov level of performance. It's too bad the A1 EVO isn't taken seriously and almost ignored here because there are many users with great knowledge who could contribute to this project...

I bet if Aimir gave it a test, he would find its results much better than Audyssey, even with MultiEQ-X or Dirac BLDC on newer models.

 

[Sal1950]

I bet if Aimir gave it a test, he would find its results much better than Audyssey, even with MultiEQ-X or Dirac BLDC on newer models.

Since Audyssey's either Free, $20, or $200 at the absolute most, I would hope Art might offer slightly better performance
since it's cost just might end up being over a $1,000 depending on desired packages purchased.
Hell I could get a full custom filter package put together by Mitch at AccurateSound for half that or less.

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[AudioJester]

The Neuron script, the odd.wtf program and the menu.bat can now directly access the DSP and load advanced filter algorithms using biquad coefficients and more layers of filters, including phase correction (all-pass filters, missing from the original Audyssey). It basically equips any D&M AVR with Dirac Live + DLBC-like capabilities.

Even when using older AVR models, Neuron could perform separate subwoofers measurements and load separate subwoofer filters.

I've used both REW and AVR measurements, and both the results were great, but of course, if you have an Umik-1/2, better use REW.

At some point, REW Pro capabilities would also be added so you could use Umik-X object mic array, which would bring D&M AVRs to Trinnov level of performance. It's too bad the A1 EVO isn't taken seriously and almost ignored here because there are many users with great knowledge who could contribute to this project...

I bet if Aimir gave it a test, he would find its results much better than Audyssey, even with MultiEQ-X or Dirac BLDC on newer models.

I tried the original version and was not convinced - I think it was user error on my part.
Will try the Neuron version with Audyssey app/mic first. If it sounds good will try with REW.
My x3600 has 2 sub outs, but processes as 1 sub channel. Does Neuron change this?

 

[gorman]

It's too bad the A1 EVO isn't taken seriously

I don't discount it. It's just that it's a never ending story. There is a considerable amount of learning involved and had I decided to go down that rabbit hole I really don't know how many hours I should have invested in following all the developments from the original scripts to the current ones. It's like a hobby in and by itself. Not my cup of tea.

You still talk of beta version. I want a finalized version and be sure that it wouldn't be rendered obsolete in two weeks time. Which means that, probably, I simply need to wait some more time. Maybe a year. And in the meantime enjoy Dirac DLBC. When and if A1 Evo will be judged superior to Dirac, the money spent on Dirac would surely not stop me from switching. That money is spent and it's been paying off already. I don't have preconceptions against alternative solutions. Reading those threads on AVS, though, currently does not inspire confidence. It's so evidently a work in progress that... I pass, at least for now.

 

[napfkuchen]

Until ART will eventually be available I'm done with any more fiddling. The proper measurements took forever and there is no perceptual difference for me between correction up to 200 Hz or full range.
ART's purpose is to reduce reverb at the listening position up to 150 Hz. I don't see A1 Evo getting there any time soon.