Didn’t Amir test the Xx700h and find it was about the same as the X3500h? And then Denon helped him discover errors in his testing, which resulted in the Xx700h measurements being redone? Where the X3500h measurements ever redone? I would assume that they likely had the same problems as the Xx700h measurements.
Also, isn’t the weak link in all of these systems the volume control circuit, and not the DAC? And probably your speakers would be the weak link when combined with any of these choices.
All that is to say that I love my X3500h.
OTOH, if I had to do it over again, I’d by a 5.2.4-capable AVR.
As I had the X3400H briefly, and read the fine prints of Amir's review, I have a different opinion on the X3500H. I am just going to repeat what I might have posted before, regarding the so called poor pre out performance of some AVRs measured. First of all, once again, Amir's comments on the 1.4 V, clipping....etc., confused many to think the preamp would clip at that level, when in fact if you read carefully, he meant the power amp would clip at that level and the distortions of the
power amp, caused the increased distortions (I think that's because of the feedback) loop measured at the pre out when the power amp started to clip.
If you look at his follow up SINAD measurements, he alluded that distortion would only get crazy, and again, that "crazy" seems like a confusing term when taken out of context. As crazy as he described, at about 2 V, SINAD was at 73.6 dB dB, that's just about 1 dB lower than that of the AV7705s (2 measured) "separate" AVP, so try telling Marantz AVP/AVR owners that theirs would go "crazy" at 2 V !!
The fact is, if you don't need your AVRs pre out to be higher than 1.5 - 2 V, the SINAD AVR-X3500H is still better than (overall) any Marantz AVRs except the SR8015, and if you only need more than 1.2-1.5 V, it may even be almost as good as any of the Denon AVR including the AVR-X8500H, except for those who think they can hear the difference between 100 dB SINAD and 95 dB SINAD.
As to audible difference, I have compared the AVR-X3400H to my separates preamp/power amp (Cambridge Audio and Halo A21), the AVR sounded just as good to me (again, just me) at moderately loud volume.
Keep in mind for a lot of people, their amps likely output a few watts/4 ohms for their required apl, with peaks to may be 50 W to 100 W, so it really depends individual cases. Also, as we all know the difference between 100 and 200 W is only 3 dB SPL.
At one point the AVR-X3500H's price dropped to under $700 brand new, I should have grab one just for emergency back up or use it as preamp with one of my 2 channel systems.
At that price point, you get virtually the same preamp/dac parts and circuitry as the AVR-X8500H, there's a good reason why it measured only 2 to 3 dB lower SINAD than the likes of the AVR-X4700H/6700H. And of course I mean at 1.2 V (or a little higher) output.
Regardless, at higher price point, I wouldn't have bought the AVR-X3500H, but depending on the individual's need/budget, it could still make a lot of sense, and may not suffer in sound quality for their use.
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Denon AVR-X3500H Home Theater Audio Video Receiver (AVR). It is kindly loaned to me by a member. The AVR-X3500H is a 2018 model but it is still available from Amazon for US $599 despite having a retail price of US $999. If it performs, this is...
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