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Yeah, and it's what I said too. Now it's been said many ways and everyone can understand lolThat is exactly what I said! Almost word by word…
Yeah, and it's what I said too. Now it's been said many ways and everyone can understand lolThat is exactly what I said! Almost word by word…
Tested and confirmed with the 3700, you can use the preamp outs as pre ins. And it sounds FANTASTIC, like holy crap FAN F*CKING TASTIC (no excessive bass with DAC output impedance of 600 ohms)
The performance is next level. Night and day from using Pure Direct mode. NIGHT AND DAY
Should be safe too, maybe someone who knows the exact layout can comment.
Looks like all will work except Front and Height 2, as long as they're enabled. I'm listening in stereo with the surround channels used for 5.1 and it sounds too good for me to take a break and do more testing.
I usually turn up my DAC all the way and use a passive preamp, but the sound level vs knob position is screwed up because of a lower than normal input impedance (my Class A amp using the RCA ins in has 1063 ohm input impedance, same passive preamp behaviour).
Even handicapped by using digital volume control, AMAZING amazing sound
Looks like for my upcoming active crossover project I won't need to spend thousands on new amps.
Amir, you should test the performance of a Denon this way - its amp section
The top end is perfect, the bass is tight and controlled, and there's lots of detail in every octave.
Damn, it turned itself off. It knows! Better not happen again... Continuing. Even if I have to turn it on every fifteen minutes I'll use it this way. Update: hasn't shut off again yet, I think what happened is I put my hand on the remote behind me. I'll update this thread if it turns off again.
Ok, so, only Surround channels (surround wide, not rear) and Center seem to work this way, no matter the receiver's speaker configuration. I wonder why...
I'm still going to use it for stereo listening this way. Absolutely, positively, PHENOMINAL sound! Could be nothing, but I think I heard a slight improvement when going from 7.1 with front heights to 9.1 with front and rear heights. Doesn't make sense, but neither does only Center and Surrounds being the only channels to work this way, so I'm mentioning it
I looked at the amp boards inside this receiver a while ago, they should be very easy to jerry-rig. I'll probably buy a used 3600 and mod some RCA plugs onto the 9 wires that run from the preamp board to the power amps for my active speakers project. Very awesome to know just how good the power amp section sounds in these.
Why would you use the Pre-out as an input for the DAC on the Denon 3700 instead of say the CD single ended input for the DAC?
It seems you are trying to run the pre-out in reverse as inputs? If that's not the case, can you please list an exact connection path something like: Qobuz (source) -> Computer -> USB -> DAC -> Denon Front L/R pre-outs.... etc.
Another "night and day" post. Hmmmm ........
It is a night and day difference. I've been this impressed with a "hack" only a few times in my life.
This is a free upgrade for anyone with the hardware. And not a small one.
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But shouldn’t there be equally good power amplifiers that cost less than that Denon?
Also to consider the possibility that it might lead to damage?Wow- that is bizarre. Maybe RestorerJohn can chime in on why this works.
There’s an AVR shortage, 3700s fetch upwards of $1500If you know you have a great amp hidden in your AVR, why not spend nothing and use it? All you have to do is hook up your RCA and speaker cables to different spots on the back...
Yes, I'm sure there are equally good amps that cost less than a 3700 which are great options, for people without 3700s already.
When listening to the 3700 this way, I'm reminded of the Denon DNP-800NE stereo amplifier. The 3700 definitely has more headroom. If the Denon DNP-1600NE sounds like the 800NE but is more powerful, it's a stereo amp that costs as much as a 3700, but has only 2 channels. Maybe it sounds better though, I dunno
Also to consider the possibility that it might lead to damage?
Another "night and day" post. Hmmmm ........
It is a night and day difference. I've been this impressed only a few times.
This is a free upgrade for anyone with the hardware and 10 minutes to spare, and not a small one.
Sharing is caring!
Or, you're hoping someone wrecks their shit for a laugh...
I am very happy with the sound the x3600h is giving me, why would i try to improve that?
I never would hear the difference, in other words; I'm satisfied thank you very much.