Dali speakers

[restorer-john]

Going by pictures of the back of the amplifier, they indeed have the red/positive connections on the inside and black/negative on the outside. This seems a bit unusual, but doesn't matter much (it's most likely for esthetic reasons, to achieve symmetry).

The main reason would be to help people when using the amplifier in BTL (mono) mode. By putting the 'hots' in the middle, the speaker cable doesn't need to be 'split' apart so far. And it's less likely people would connect the amp incorrectly.

 

[antcollinet]

Thank you on the reply.
On the right side, colors on the amplifier binding posts are red, black, and this is matched with the right side speaker binding posts, which are also red, black. So Dali has color scheme red, black on both sides and the amplifier has left side black, red and the right side red, black.

I will also check what @Macfox has mentioned.

respect the COLOURS not the left/right position. If you have red to red and black to black on one speaker, but red to black and black to red on the other, then the speakers will operate in antiphase, and you are are going to destroy the sound.

 

[unicore]

Thank you all for comments and time to explain.
I will switch the wire to the correct colors on the left speaker binding posts.

 

[Architectorus]

Bought Dali Ikon 6. Replaced capacitors for audiophile grade. Great midbase, fantastic treble but... to bright. Beatles, classic sounds great. But.. can't listen something like Metallica, Muse etc.. What amp should be good, any suggestions?

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

Bought Dali Ikon 6. Replaced capacitors for audiophile grade. Great midbase, fantastic treble but... to bright. Beatles, classic sounds great. But.. can't listen something like Metallica, Muse etc.. What amp should be good, any suggestions?

Why did you change the capacitors? and what are '' audiophile grade '' ? is not like capacitors are going to make the speaker sound better...
Capacitors just hold energy temporally. Just that.

 

[Moonbase]

Capacitor degrade over time, the worst last for 2000 hours according to the spec's. Better ones should last 20 years.

 

[Architectorus]

Why did you change the capacitors? and what are '' audiophile grade '' ?

First, speakers are 15 years old. And I've checked them and found that nominals are off and too much ESR. Changed to russian-make polypropylene capacitors selected by pairs(+-3%) - they are about mudorpf mcap evo oil level. Can't say that difference is huge, but a bit cleaner and sound. Wondering if replacing resistors will gain anything. It's another 30 dollars.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

First, speakers are 15 years old. And I've checked them and found that nominals are off and too much ESR. Changed to russian-make polypropylene capacitors selected by pairs(+-3%) - they are about mudorpf mcap evo oil level. Can't say that difference is huge, but a bit cleaner and sound.

well, when speakers are nearly to 20 years... they need some ''restoration''

 

[malone-m]

Great midbase, fantastic treble but... to bright. Beatles, classic sounds great. But.. can't listen something like Metallica, Muse etc.. What amp should be good, any suggestions?

Maybe would be better to use EQ. Tweeter level looks quite high..

 

[Maxon]

First, speakers are 15 years old. And I've checked them and found that nominals are off and too much ESR. Changed to russian-make polypropylene capacitors selected by pairs(+-3%) - they are about mudorpf mcap evo oil level. Can't say that difference is huge, but a bit cleaner and sound. Wondering if replacing resistors will gain anything. It's another 30 dollars.

ou claim a change in sound... Did you save the measurements before and after the repair? To compare how much the sound has changed

 

[antcollinet]

Great midbase, fantastic treble but... to bright

Sounds like (if you've made a change at all) you've created the brightness problem. Personally I'd put the originals back in.

In any case - no amp is going to improve that. An amp won't change the frequency response - or at least, it shouldn't.

You need to be looking at speaker/room interaction. Speaker position, room treatment, room equalisation.

Or - if you have a digital source - especially PC - just use a graphic equaliser to tame the highs.

 

[Architectorus]

created the brightness problem

I changed capacitors first in one speaker. So no, bright problem was initially.

 

[JeremyFife]

Bought Dali Ikon 6. Replaced capacitors for audiophile grade. Great midbase, fantastic treble but... to bright. Beatles, classic sounds great. But.. can't listen something like Metallica, Muse etc.. What amp should be good, any suggestions?

Dali's have a tendency to brightness (elevated high frequency) anyway - although I haven't seen measurements of these.
Try EQ and/or positioning adjustments like toe-ing them out (contra to Dali's usual advice)

 

[Ageve]

Dali's have a tendency to brightness (elevated high frequency) anyway - although I haven't seen measurements of these.

Yes, Dali speakers are usually bright on-axis. They are designed to be used without toe-in.

Whether that’s a good approach or not is debatable.

Measurements:

DALI Ikon 6 loudspeaker Measurements

Sidebar 3: Measurements

www.stereophile.com

A generally good set of measurements, though I would have expected the Ikon 6's treble to sound a little more forward than BJR found, especially considering its wider-than-usual top-octave dispersion.—John Atkinson

 

[DoctorRobert]

I have to sing praise of my DALI Fazon F5s now I have the chance in this thread. ;-) This is my totally unscientific opinion, so YMMV. They're doing duties in our living room, connected to a SONOS amp. They're mostly used for streaming radio, but also for streaming FLAC music from my Deezer account. Because this setup lacks room correction they're slightly 'muddier' than my two other sets (Office: KEF Q100 + sub [REW] and home cinema: KEF R3 + sub [Audyssey]). But for one reason or another they always sound pleasant to me, and I love their clean looks. Just one unobtrusive box and two elegant speakers and still a great sound.
For me the looks of a speaker are almost as important their sound quality. And that is really what this speaker excels in: great looks and sound for a reasonable price. The only negative I can think of is that F5's are no longer produced and did not get a successor. But as a product that gave me pride of ownership together with a very enjoyable user experience they is hard to beat. I can't think of anything to replace them with if one fails.
I would like to see them measured, but just as a footnote. They are brilliant anyway.

 

[steve59]

In my case when speakers sound bright in my room it’s because I’m playing too loud for the amp. When setting up a pair of speakers I keep them 3-5’ away from any reflective surface or pull them closer, toe in and put something on the sidewall to absorb the first reflection. If I can’t fix the problem with placement and/or treatment I look to upgrade the amps. I’ve had speakers like the salon 2 sound bright because the amps couldn’t drive the bottom few octaves effectively making them sound bright because I keep cranking them up trying to get the bass they’re known for.

 

[john11]

Do you think the dali rubicon 2 are still good value , nice things are being said about them but they are listed on various websites for £500 and nobody is buying, been up for sale for months

 

[Tokyo_John]

Do you think the dali rubicon 2 are still good value , nice things are being said about them but they are listed on various websites for £500 and nobody is buying, been up for sale for months

Wow, I never see them so cheap here in Japan. They are usually 3X that price. If I did find such a deal I would buy them (I am looking to upgrade my system in a second room, Rubicons would be ideal). If you could find a similar markdown on Epicons, even better!

 

[john11]

So why do you think no one is buying them, is there something better out there since the rubicon's release

 

[steve59]

dali is releasing the epikore line and some of the other lines are over 10 years old so to move the old inventory and make room for the new.