- Dec 5, 2019
when I drive across a long, narrow bridge I exercise a belief that engineers have learned about transient analysis after "Galloping Gertie"
That statement is absolutely untrue. Maybe it is true for you, but it is not for me, and not for the vast majority of the people I interact with, ESPECIALLY the scientists.
Perhaps you misunderstand the context of everyday life being the generalization in my post? I am sure that the vast majority of scientists undertake completely objective scientific work, but that does not mean the same scientific rigor applies in how they live everyday life outside of work.
Not at all. I did not misunderstand anything or the generalisations you are making. EVERY scientist I know (many) apply the same principles to their everyday lives.
I might believe you if you answered the hypothetical questions as you'd approach them with what you think is 'objectivity'. (I'm aware of the psychology definition of 'objectivity': the tendency to base judgments and interpretations on external data rather than on subjective factors, such as personal feelings, beliefs, and experiences ).
Don't misunderstand. I have no issue with anybody claiming to be mostly objective even in everyday decision making. I would only have doubts if somebody claimed absolute objectivity for every decision they make, and never make decisions where there is no data or incomplete data. But that appears to be your claim in answering "Fundamentally, yes".
So if you or your colleagues are married, how was that achieved objectively and which subjective personal feelings, beliefs and experiences were dismissed? I'm sure your wife and/or theirs want to know too.
How does one wholly objectively choose which music to listen to? How is one's choice of audio system wholly objective and devoid of 'personal' biases caused by 'needs' or desired feature sets? How does one live life completely devoid of personal needs, desires and the subjective feelings they cause - is it by a pious life of denial and repression to stick to objectivity at all costs? (We know in psychology how that pans out). If so, how can one even own an audio system that by its very nature is meant to provide subjective enjoyment? You also claimed in another thread "You could stick a kebab in my ear at 20KHz and I'd not notice" - evidence based claim?
Sorry, your claim to total and absolute evidence-based decision making is ridiculous. I don't need a reply - I would believe you're trolling. I'm done too, in case I may also seem a troll.
Your logical error is going from, "Not all questions are scientific and have testable evidence-based answers" to "...therefore, no questions can be scientific and have testable evidence-based answers."
Really? Then why the analogies to "personal feelings, beliefs and experiences"?
Except that's not exactly what he said.
So you are saying they use empirical data at EVERY opportunity in their personal lives, and don't make ANY decisions when there is no evidence to hand? Like for the examples I gave?
Imagination seems to affect our ears moreso than other senses. Here's how it typically works: Mr. Reviewer takes a known recording, often Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, and usually the alarm clock sequence, and then waxes incredibly about how he's now hearing things (it's an alarm clock, for crying out loud!) he's never heard before with new component "X" or special calbe "Y" in his system. How many times have we read this exact scenario, over and over, in reviews?
Think about how that is. Here's Typical Reviewer Guy listening to a record he's heard a thousand times before in conjunction with numerous pieces of expensive hi-fi gear out on loan, and he's now telling you that he's hearing stuff he's never heard before, with such 'clarity' or 'slam', or whatever it is. Stop and think about that. Does that even sound like something that could happen? In real life? But the people who consume this sort of thing just accept it, and wait for the next time their favorite reviewer inserts a new cable or DAC in their system, and goes on about how he's hearing new things in those alarm clocks that he's never heard before.
You have to laugh out loud. It's really funny.