If no3 sounds anything like it looks it expect it to sound problematic
Oh not at all.
I EQ it from -/+3dB to -/+1dB and honestly I can’t hear a difference 80% of the time.
If no3 sounds anything like it looks it expect it to sound problematic
Which proves that so much zoomed in on-axis plots really don't tell much.Oh not at all.
I EQ it from -/+3dB to -/+1dB and honestly I can’t hear a difference 80% of the time.
You meant to say smooth directivity there, mate. FR can be bent to your will using math. Directivity is what it is.While we know there is more to consider, on-axis linearity is generally considered to be a key metric.
Maybe next time will try LW or DI or something else. Was trying to keep it simple for this round. I and others have threads to discuss meaningful measurements, so will not belabor here.You meant to say smooth directivity there, mate. FR can be bent to your will using math. Directivity is what it is.
I think i would prefer number 2 based on this very limited data. Seems to be doing well in the important range, say 80 to 6kHz. For full on base you probably would need a sub, but it could do without in a smaller room or near field.
Could this be a KEF koaxial driver?
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As mentioned, the intent was to obscure (somewhat)
I understand the idea, but on the other hand we also know our hearing doesn't have the frequency resolution you used. The first thing I would do when someone present me graphs like this is apply psychoacoustic or ERB smoothing. Don't think this was intended as an exercise on how well people can picture an average response in their head.
But if you want me to give it a try, I guess speaker 1 is the flattest and most extended response, although the bass might be a bit shelved down (which can be compensated by boundary effect).
The purpose was to answer the question that forms the title of the thread. Did you not read the question?No one would.
Whats your point in the context of this fun exercise? Or are you just preaching?
If you don't know the scaling of the vertical axis you can't say if the curves are horrible or great. All you can say is by comparing the three curves which one of them is better. You can't compare them to any other if you don't know the Y axis.All the curves look horrible, but I would choose speaker 2. It has the most consistent response in the bass region. Speaker 1 will for sure sound anemic and brittle, speaker 3 is all over the place.
Speaker 2 needs a sub, but I don't mind.
Fantastic. I won (too), I picked the Genelec. Also relieved I didn’t pick a dud.Now for the big moment!
Here is a plot of the original 3 speakers with the typical scaling restored:
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Realize the fonts are rather small, so here are the revealed speakers in list form:
Here is another plot with the 3 speakers as I originally intended:
- The Genelec 8361B (speaker #1) is the blue trace
- The Revel F228Be is speaker #2 and is the green trace
- The GR Research X-LS Encore is speaker #3 (red trace)
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So here I replaced the GR speaker with the KEF R3 (purple trace).
Here is a summary of the votes for the better speaker based on the FR plots:
If I had voted, based on the plots, I agree with the overall sentiment about the Genelec being flattest. Due to other influences, it would not be a speaker I would purchase, but I understand why a lot of people like it. So, is it the better speaker? Some argued that they could not chose one speaker over another simply based on the on-axis FR. While I agree, it may be all we get sometimes and even then, it is a stated spec versus a visual presentation.
- Speaker #1 (Genelec) had the most votes at 20
- Speaker #2 (Revel) came in second with 6 votes
- Speaker #3 (GR) had zero votes
- Speaker #4 (KEF) was a bonus and goes unranked (sorry, my fault)
- There were 5 voters who abstained (mainly claiming the FR data was insufficient to judge)
There may be some takeaways, but that was not my purpose here. As I mentioned, I have another thread for that and welcome the discourse. Am more interested in your responses now that you know the speakers that were used here.
Thanks for participating!
Rick
Excellent post and turn up that most if not all criticize how the curves are shown but no one knows what the best speaker is just from looking at the curve.So let's see how well members can discern speakers based on it...