At 50+ you will have a significant hearing loss in the 9-12kHz range (12kHz is about the max you can hear at 60) so its not surprising it doesn't bother you as much. Apart from the treble the midrange is nicely flat so its not a showroom sound for sure.
No one is hearing this treble harshness. Please don't make assumptions about others. My hearing extends to 12k+ at least the last time tested and that was in my 60s. Maxing out in the low teens. Nothing I can remember beyond that. The person I knew that listened critically to them was around 30. He heard nothing. Did he have a hearing loss too? But as mentioned I didn't ask. Beyond 15k I could care less. Yes I know harmonics can reach that as I stated.
Strange that only the people that haven't listened to them are saying there is a (significant) audible treble shine. And what's the smallest db change a human ear can hear? Go listen yourself. Then make leading statements. That's only fair and honest.
Are there treble peaks. Absolutely. The curve clearly show them. No debate there. BUT are they shrill/bright? The jury (that) has heard the evidence and says NO. I'm sure my cats could hear it but they don't care. Like I'm starting to. I'm sure people with what was the word? Oh yeah "bionic" ears can hear this supposed offending brightness.
If we believe enough we can convince ourselves of anything. See what is not there. And in this case hear what is not there.
I thought to invite anyone to come to my house to honestly listen but I can see the camps are firmly divided and there's no hope for objectivity.
All of this audible brightness talk is called conjecture. Conjecture: "an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information". I'm not trying to be a smart ass. I had to look it up to verify the definition.
Come on guys let it go. Stop beating the poor thing. It's dead.
I will be discussing this glaring treble business with Goldenear. If they have definitive information either way I'll return and post it otherwise:
I know I started it but I'm done monitoring this thread. It's gotten WAY off topic. I just wanted to thank ASR and amir. Then I answered the seemingly innocent question of what type of speakers I had and the nonsense flooded forth. Goldenear and my ears fell under seige. Sorry I have great hearing for an old guy. I'm guessing it's a few of the young guys it bothers so. Get over it. I also have 20/30 uncorrected sight and need no glasses. That was also tested annually for the past 31 years. Are my eyes also suspect? Why is truth so hard for some to accept? Every excuse gets flung. Every "yeah but . . ."
Thanks to all for the advice in other areas. It was interesting and helpful. I'm not upset. People are entitled to their opinions. But without listening and then coming armed with first hand evidence and facts they remain only unsubstantiated opinion.
I really don't care if the speaker peak or can fly at this point This whole thing has entered the land of belief, conjecture and imagination. As such anything is possible. Like in the song all you have to do is believe.
Best.
AFP