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I agree with that... they have the metadata and they have several other drill downs so not having one for genre is a real oversight and one I would really use.
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Are people getting sick of streaming services...
Tired of the debate. I like my streaming services, CDs, and LPs. I enjoy them all for varying reasons and don't feel that there is any need or desire to rank them or have them compete against each other for position, or even waste time comparing them. Of course, some of them are of higher resolution and all that. So what?
Why buy it ?
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In addition to the major streaming platforms, I also used Bandcamp, YouTube and Soundcloud for a long time for lesser-known artists (mainly electronic music and post-rock). But now they have caught up so much that it is usually no longer necessary for me. On Apple Music just my favorite song playlist has more than 8.000 songs. I listen to a lot of different genres, even more so since Apple is adding Atmos-mixes. No way I would have the space for all the CDs/Bluray-discs in my apartment or even the money to buy all the music I enjoy. Ultimately, many bands would simply remain undiscovered for me.
The barriers to entry have changed dramatically in recent years in two ways. On the one hand on the consumer side, as already mentioned, but even more crucially on the band/producer side. You don't need a label, a marketing team or a professional recording studio to become part of it as an artist.
The barriers to entry have changed dramatically in recent years in two ways. On the one hand on the consumer side, as already mentioned, but even more crucially on the band/producer side. You don't need a label, a marketing team or a professional recording studio to become part of it as an artist.
<shrug> you always have a choice with these of what to listen to, or not
I mostly only use Apple Music, and that only for getting Atmos mixes unavailable elsewhere.
But I'll certainly stream something when it's not in my collection and I want to hear it. Usually just find it on Youtube. I'll certainly use Spotify for parties and gatherings.
I don't get the complaints. No one is forcing you to do anything.
I mostly only use Apple Music, and that only for getting Atmos mixes unavailable elsewhere.
But I'll certainly stream something when it's not in my collection and I want to hear it. Usually just find it on Youtube. I'll certainly use Spotify for parties and gatherings.
I don't get the complaints. No one is forcing you to do anything.
I think that perhaps what discontent there may be with streaming speaks to the sense that we are becoming more and more disconnected from one another.
Back in the day when you needed physical media you had at least some minimal contact with others in the store if you still went out to buy music. There is virtually no opportunity like that anymore unless we deliberately seek it out, but even so it is harder and harder to find genuine human interaction now. I think people miss this and even younger generations who never experienced it have a sense that they have missed out on something special.
I had a fantastic moment a few years back now talking about this with my then 17 year old daughter. I was curious why it seemed her generation was enamored with the 80s and her answer was that among her and her friends they knew their digital and social media absorbed life was unhealthy, but it was all they were ever really offered.
I look at how disconnected and divided people seem to be and I cannot help but feel a social disconnection trend line would map pretty closely onto the shift towards social media and to a much, much lesser extent, music streaming is a part of the puzzle. It just seems clear that people benefit from human contact so in that sense I can understand why for some people, there is a reason to focus on the way it was before streaming because there is that association to connecting with others. Remember back in the day when you might have been the first person in your friend group to be able to afford the new album and people would come over just to check it out? Yah, those were good days.
Back in the day when you needed physical media you had at least some minimal contact with others in the store if you still went out to buy music. There is virtually no opportunity like that anymore unless we deliberately seek it out, but even so it is harder and harder to find genuine human interaction now. I think people miss this and even younger generations who never experienced it have a sense that they have missed out on something special.
I had a fantastic moment a few years back now talking about this with my then 17 year old daughter. I was curious why it seemed her generation was enamored with the 80s and her answer was that among her and her friends they knew their digital and social media absorbed life was unhealthy, but it was all they were ever really offered.
I look at how disconnected and divided people seem to be and I cannot help but feel a social disconnection trend line would map pretty closely onto the shift towards social media and to a much, much lesser extent, music streaming is a part of the puzzle. It just seems clear that people benefit from human contact so in that sense I can understand why for some people, there is a reason to focus on the way it was before streaming because there is that association to connecting with others. Remember back in the day when you might have been the first person in your friend group to be able to afford the new album and people would come over just to check it out? Yah, those were good days.
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Oh yeah, I left that one out. I love listening to Apple Music in my surround Home Theatre set up. It’s fun selecting the music on the big projection screen, and the sound is usually beautiful.
I also continue to be amazed at how good YouTube can sound on the Home Theatre set up as well.
I don't see avoiding certain mass-market things as putting on a hair shirt so much, more like using an umbrella when it's raining sh*t.
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I'm not using any streaming app (but youtube, but the free version and very rarely), but i see many in my envirroment closing their spotify or even tidal account and going back to owning music. They are sick of the algoritmes that determine what music they should listen to, and want to go back to active choosing and owning their music. I notice it because many ask how i do that and want advice to set up a system like mine (NAS server with media feeding computers connected to hifi systems arround my house over wifi or lan).
In the press, local and international i see also editorals telling the same story...
Why I Finally Quit Spotify
The platform interface has gradually made it harder to find the music I want to listen to. With the latest app updates, I’d had enough.www.newyorker.com
I see the same on social media (and left it largely for that), AI wants to push things so hard it becomes a dealbreaker for the media. It's also one of the reason i think what drive youngsters to owning physica media (like vinyl). What are your experiences on that?
The New Yorker column seems to be an audio track? So no visual examples of the interface issues, which makes assessing the arguments difficult.
I haven't used Spotify enough to form impressions. It's apparently the sh*ttiest when it comes to paying artists, and promotes sh*tty politics, so best avoided. Spotify's web app looks somewhat similar to Apple Music (along with a raft of differences that could fill a detailed review, but that's off-topic). So I expect the writer's views are informed by his own use patterns, which differ from mine.
I generally find particular artists, follow their releases, try some similar artists, listen to some suggested stuff (meaning particular albums/EPs/singles that the Music interface throws up, usually under similar artist or subgenre headings) but don't do much 'radio' or 'mix' listening (the auto-generated playlists etc). Or make manual playlists (that seems archaic). Apple Music mostly and Soundcloud (good for oddball stuff artists post, and their otherwise unreleased DJ mixes and remixes). By contrast, I don't do much physical media (CD player stopped working). But my old car has a CD player (which is perversely fun as the selection ends around 2010 when I stopped buying them) and a radio (I'm not sure what that's for, civil defence emergencies maybe?)
So no, I don't share the writer's experiences exactly (saved by my different listening and discovery habits it seems) and I'm not at all sick of the streaming services I use.
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skill issue. you don't need to rely on an algorithm. you can also just choose the music you want to listen to. weird criticism imo.
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Which was largely off topic , sorry . As regards algorithms and suggested content . For Spotify of find the ai DJ does a decent job of mixing familiar content and suggestions . The 'daylist' mix puts up some interesting suggestions but I don't like it's Sunday mornings coffee chill out/ Saturday nights all right for fighting genre based thing .
For Tidal I find the daily discovery mix to be pretty good for suggestions now it knows me .
I use Tidal, at home, in the car (Apple CarPlay), on the go saving songs and albums on my iPhone so I have no problems with internet coverage.
Tidal costs me less than two espressos at the bar per month.
I also tried Apple Music but I couldn't find a way to make it automatically change the sampling rate.
I'm a boomer and I'm fine with streaming.
When I was young, I had to take the train with my friends to go and buy LP records… Half a day to go, buy and return home.
Now the same day an album is released it is immediately available for streaming without having to leave home.
Tidal costs me less than two espressos at the bar per month.
I also tried Apple Music but I couldn't find a way to make it automatically change the sampling rate.
I'm a boomer and I'm fine with streaming.
When I was young, I had to take the train with my friends to go and buy LP records… Half a day to go, buy and return home.
Now the same day an album is released it is immediately available for streaming without having to leave home.
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Most of the people around me that complain fall into one of two categories.
1) They use a free service or a free account but want premium controls.
2) They don't like what the algorithm gives them but, but they do next to nothing to let it know what they like.
1) They use a free service or a free account but want premium controls.
2) They don't like what the algorithm gives them but, but they do next to nothing to let it know what they like.
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The Bandcamp-Discogs axis seems to think a release isn't a release unless it's limited edition vinyl. Maybe they are right. It all ties in with the theme of this thread and the other one that will hit 10000 posts very soon
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To support the music you like?
I admit I skimmed the thread and read when something caught my eye, but I didn't see much mention of how stuff gets deleted from online catalogs of streaming services. Admittedly, it happens much more often for video than audio, but it is the main reason I cannot rely on streaming services. Stuff I really like is often removed if they think it isn't making money for them. Probably says something about my tastes in stuff, and also my age.
The thing is, there's heaps of stuff I go looking for that just isn't there, and even if it is, I cannot rely on it being there tomorrow. Therefore, I buy and keep my own collection, and at the current time, only use free music streaming services - and that rarely. Mostly just internet radio, where I donate if they do a good job.
The thing is, there's heaps of stuff I go looking for that just isn't there, and even if it is, I cannot rely on it being there tomorrow. Therefore, I buy and keep my own collection, and at the current time, only use free music streaming services - and that rarely. Mostly just internet radio, where I donate if they do a good job.
I am already supporting it, why pay twice and what to have another ‘bought’ library.
I would pay more for a streaming provider that paid the artists more though.
Keith
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Everything has its time in the sun and then dies out. Streaming will be the same. Vinyl, CDs, AM and FM radio, they all reached a peak and declined. Streaming and streaming services are past their peak IMO.
There is definitely a returning to "physical" ownership of artists' output. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go into an electronics store that sells physical media. The current young adult generation is lapping up physical. I watch them in amazement, especially with "new" $60+ vinyl.
Streaming will probably just take over as the equivalent of FM radio where we hear more new music and then buy it to show support for the artists.
There is definitely a returning to "physical" ownership of artists' output. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go into an electronics store that sells physical media. The current young adult generation is lapping up physical. I watch them in amazement, especially with "new" $60+ vinyl.
Streaming will probably just take over as the equivalent of FM radio where we hear more new music and then buy it to show support for the artists.
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