Another Nail in the Coffin of Objectivity

[Spkrdctr]

I can tell you that cat is alive and well. I have been feeding him and changing his litter for years. Since he is such a scientific legend, he looks down on me as his slave or servant. He lords it over me all the time. He even "claims" to have received and honorary degree from MIT for his participation in advancing the sciences. So, he walks around like he is the most important cat in the world.

Or maybe he is just a typical house cat, it is hard to tell!!

 

[Berwhale]

Science was born from religion. The word itself is from scientia

But scientia did not originate from religion...

Science and Shit

A recent discussion on Twitter about whether the line “I’m gonna have to science the shit out out of this” was in Andy Weir’s book The Martian or was only found in the movie…

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*edit* That's not to say I disagree with the rest of your argument

 

[pozz]

But scientia did not originate from religion...

Science and Shit

A recent discussion on Twitter about whether the line “I’m gonna have to science the shit out out of this” was in Andy Weir’s book The Martian or was only found in the movie…

www.arrantpedantry.com

*edit* That's not to say I disagree with the rest of your argument

The word "science" originated from scientia. Not sure if I made that clear. While the etymological meaning is far older, the use of scientia in the middle ages was religious. For example, scientia media: https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100447689

 

[pozz]

I can tell you that cat is alive and well. I have been feeding him and changing his litter for years. Since he is such a scientific legend, he looks down on me as his slave or servant. He lords it over me all the time. He even "claims" to have received and honorary degree from MIT for his participation in advancing the sciences. So, he walks around like he is the most important cat in the world.

Or maybe he is just a typical house cat, it is hard to tell!!

Reminds me of the BBC Radio version of the Hitchhiker's Guide.

 

[Oldasdrt]

I can tell you that cat is alive and well. I have been feeding him and changing his litter for years. Since he is such a scientific legend, he looks down on me as his slave or servant. He lords it over me all the time. He even "claims" to have received and honorary degree from MIT for his participation in advancing the sciences. So, he walks around like he is the most important cat in the world.

Or maybe he is just a typical house cat, it is hard to tell!!

But the question arises, is he there when you look at him?

 

[maverickronin]

I read Richard Carrier's The Scientist in the Early Roman Empire recently. It's full of interesting tidbits.

 

[pablolie]

I don't think perception stands in the way of objectivism, If that was the case we'd still be throwing witches onto firepits (or the other way [1]). There are reliably modelled truths we can't observe - but we can make them work in our favor. No one sees or feels Xrays, yet they perform lifesaving services, as an example. What we can model is what fuels progress. What we think we know and has a "feeling" as "true" inevitably, eventually holds us captive.

To a large degree, that is what Kant was on when he wrote what he titled "Critique of Pure Reason" but boy, was he ever rational even though he put himself in the middle of what counted as rationalism and empiricism as sources of truth back then.

[1] The sketch about witches and ducks and wood and flowing in water, anyone?

 

[Anton D]

A worthy book:

The Structure of Scientific Revolutions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[dtaylo1066]

Stereo audio reproduction of music is an illusion, and DSP furthers the illusion. I have no problem with that. I friggin' embrace it and always have. And the illusion today is better than when I became an audiophile in the 1970s. And, hey, reality often sucks. I am happy to turn on my music, especially if the sound is basically transparent, and enjoy the grand illusion.

Coleridge discussed the "suspension of disbelief." I am happy to suspend. I saw Dune II at IMAX over the weekend. 3/4 of the stuff in the movie must be CGI but it looks damn real to me and was enjoyable to watch for 2 hours and 40 minutes. A mess of 0s ad 1s looked marvelous.

I know Patricia Barber is not playing with her band in my living room, or in my head via HPs, but I am happy to listen as if it were all real. And at times it does sound that way. Without that would I rather listen to nothing, and instead contemplate the fact I am an insignificant amalgam of carbon-based cells residing on a small sphere hurtling through the universe in a pin-wheel shaped galaxy? Give me the music. And while I am at it give it to me in a transparent form.

 

[Anton D]

Stereo audio reproduction of music is an illusion, and DSP furthers the illusion. I have no problem with that. I friggin' embrace it and always have. And the illusion today is better than when I became an audiophile in the 1970s. And, hey, reality often sucks. I am happy to turn on my music, especially if the sound is basically transparent, and enjoy the grand illusion.

Coleridge discussed the "suspension of disbelief." I am happy to suspend. I saw Dune II at IMAX over the weekend. 3/4 of the stuff in the movie must be CGI but it looks damn real to me and was enjoyable to watch for 2 hours and 40 minutes. A mess of 0s ad 1s looked marvelous.

I know Patricia Barber is not playing with her band in my living room, or in my head via HPs, but I am happy to listen as if it were all real. And at times it does sound that way. Without that would I rather listen to nothing, and instead contemplate the fact I am an insignificant amalgam of carbon-based cells residing on a small sphere hurtling through the universe in a pin-wheel shaped galaxy? Give me the music. And while I am at it give it to me in a transparent form.

Lovely post, just add wine!

 

[mocenigo]

I can tell you that cat is alive and well. I have been feeding him and changing his litter for years. Since he is such a scientific legend, he looks down on me as his slave or servant. He lords it over me all the time. He even "claims" to have received and honorary degree from MIT for his participation in advancing the sciences. So, he walks around like he is the most important cat in the world.

Or maybe he is just a typical house cat, it is hard to tell!!

She’s a Flerken. Very, very dangerous.