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Is such hiss usual in active loudspeakers ?
Ther is nothing that bugs me more
Very common in budget-priced ones, unfortunately :/
Is such hiss usual in active loudspeakers ?
Ther is nothing that bugs me more
As some one who owns Emotiva Stealth 8's, Emotiva Arimotiv 5S, JBL LSR 305/306P's, I am baffled why the T8V and 305P/308P received higher panther ratings than the Airmotiv 6S.
S&R measured them.My dream speaker is still the Adam S3V and I really hope we will see that review one day.
The ADAM ARTist 5 I measured are the cream of the crop as far as all the speakers I've measured--out to 90 degrees in 11.25 degree intervals.
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Mackie and Behringer also performed well:
http://dtmblabber.blogspot.com/2011/01/review-of-polar-graphs.html
My rig cannot get the resolution that the Klippel can, but it does supply some degree of confidence.
I have been listening to these everyday for hours without an issue, hiss, or audible vibration for nearly a decade.
As some one who owns Emotiva Stealth 8's, Emotiva Arimotiv 5S, JBL LSR 305/306P's, I am baffled why the T8V and 305P/308P received higher panther ratings than the Airmotiv 6S.
Subjectively my Airmotiv 5S outclasses the JBL's in every scenario, especially the original 305's. Whether they are ran without EQ or with DIRAC, the Airmotiv sounds better and it isn't that close. They go A LOT louder while always sounding clean. Used them in a giant HT playing movies. JBL's sound like they run out of breath on my desk. And the Airmotiv 6S measurements are not in a different league as these two.
I have high hopes for the Adam T series and would like to buy a set of T5V's to compare directly to my now 6 year old pair of Airmotiv 5S's. Looking at this review, I am not really sold that they'll sound better. The distortion charts looks concerning, especially since the AMT is where the magic is supposed to take place. Sadly there are no distortion measurements of the Airmotiv 6S so no direct comparison can be made, but from my experience, the AMT's in my Emotiva speakers are exceptionally clean, detailed and less fatiguing than the JBL's.
My dream speaker is still the Adam S3V and I really hope we will see that review one day.
S&R measured them.
PS: My collection, in german Hifi-Forum. Almost all measurments done by S&R/Dr. Goertz. I managed to fail building a online database twice.... so I gave up. Lazy me. Maybe a google sheet in near future is a good goal.
As some one who owns Emotiva Stealth 8's, Emotiva Arimotiv 5S, JBL LSR 305/306P's, I am baffled why the T8V and 305P/308P received higher panther ratings than the Airmotiv 6S.
Subjectively my Airmotiv 5S outclasses the JBL's in every scenario, especially the original 305's. Whether they are ran without EQ or with DIRAC, the Airmotiv sounds better and it isn't that close. They go A LOT louder while always sounding clean. Used them in a giant HT playing movies. JBL's sound like they run out of breath on my desk. And the Airmotiv 6S measurements are not in a different league as these two.
I have high hopes for the Adam T series and would like to buy a set of T5V's to compare directly to my now 6 year old pair of Airmotiv 5S's. Looking at this review, I am not really sold that they'll sound better. The distortion charts looks concerning, especially since the AMT is where the magic is supposed to take place. Sadly there are no distortion measurements of the Airmotiv 6S so no direct comparison can be made, but from my experience, the AMT's in my Emotiva speakers are exceptionally clean, detailed and less fatiguing than the JBL's.
My dream speaker is still the Adam S3V and I really hope we will see that review one day.
S&R measured them.
PS: My collection, in german Hifi-Forum. Almost all measurments done by S&R/Dr. Goertz. I managed to fail building a online database twice.... so I gave up. Lazy me. Maybe a google sheet in near future is a good goal.
Post 165 by @andreasmaaan (1000 thanks) is probably the reason if one lean to be objective minded, yourself sound be subjective minded based the talk of where the magic is should be a AMT transducer but please forgive me if that point is wrong, think a general mistake in your critic note is you base a certain brand should sound better than another brand based the brand models owned yourself, but heck your models is not the same as the tested exemplars by Amir so how can that make you conclude Amir is off here.
308p measures significantly better than the Airmotiv, and thus deserves a higher rating. I think the 305p actually got a lower panther score. Your preference for the Airmotiv might just be your subjective preference. Not everyone is the same, but I would think the science says that most people should prefer the 308p, and in this case Amir's subjective impression seemed to align with the science. I've heard the Airmotiv, but it's been awhile, so I don't really have an opinion there. I will say that I do prefer the 308p slightly over the Emotiva T2+.
More bass and more treble is a winning recipe according to the masses.
That is a great collection of speaker measurements, thanks for linking it! And I have seen those Adam S3V measurements before and they do look great. Would love for Amir to measure them himself so we can directly compare speakers he has measured and hear his subjective take on them.
I believe speaker manufacturers should strive to make the best measuring speakers they can. That being said, subjectively, speakers will sound different and one cannot completely judge a speaker's performance solely by its measurements.
Subjectively Amir and his wife found the Airmotiv 6S to sound better than the JBL 305, so I am not alone in thinking the Emotiva monitors sound better than the JBL's. And I have nothing for or against either brand, I have bought two sets of speakers from each. I really do respect JBL since they are a part of Harman and I admire what they have done for the industry.
You aren't wrong. I had my Mom do a blind test of the Airmotiv 5S and the LSR306P and she preferred the 306P whereas I preferred the Emotiva. Why she preferred it probably won't correlate to the JBL's objectively measuring better. The JBL's had quite a bit more bass (they are almost twice as big) and the treble was more elevated. More bass and more treble is a winning recipe according to the masses.
At the end of the day what matters most to me personally is how a speaker sounds when used with room correction and with subwoofers, so some measured aspects of a speaker performance is of less relevance to me, such as bass extension and tonality. Where I would place greater emphasis on is distortion and horizontal dispersion which are aspects of a speaker that cannot be fixed with EQ or a subwoofer.
To me the Emotiva's sounded better with and without DIRAC, with the larger JBL's having more bottom end as they should. But of course that is my own opinion and my own experience so take it as you will. That being said I predict that the Adam T series will sound much better than the JBL's from my own previous experiences and I might grab a set to compare all three with.
Is this true, and if so, is there data to back this up? I only know of the NRC and Harman studies, but those showed that the masses overwhelmingly prefer the most neutral speakers, not tilted bass and treble speakers.
Also, you mentioned Amir preferring the Airmotiv over the 305p, and then lump the 30X together as "JBLs", which I think is a mistake. 308p and 305p are different speakers, and the 308p measures noticeably better. Looking at the 305p measurements, it doesn't surprise me that he preferred the Emotiva. I would be surprised, however, if he preferred the Emotiva over the 308p(just based on the measurements).
Do you have any experience with these speakers? Emotiva Airmotive E2+ Surround
E2+ Surround
I have similar "looking" tweeters in my bookshelf Martin Logan speakers (LX16), in my 2.1 ch TV system and was thinking to get them for surrounds.
I wrote in another thread (or maybe a while back in this one? I'm getting old) that I had the JBL 305P (v1) and T5V at the same time for a month to compare. I don't have any means to make measurements, but they sounded pretty much the same (to me). I didn't test to see which ones played louder before hearing distortion as I can't tolerate loud music for more than a few seconds nowadays. I kept the Adams and returned the JBLs. I'd be happy with either set as this is used at my desktop computer mainly for video editing of personal (not professional) concert videos. I'd be curious as to what others think when they see/measure/hear the two.
Bass response will be the biggest change from a 305P to a 306P to a 308P but the fundamental character of the speaker won't, or at least shouldn't be changed granted the designers kept the line consistent, as JBL has.
The 306P sounds slightly better than the original LSR305, but the character of the sound is unmistakably the same. Bass response will be the biggest change from a 305P to a 306P to a 308P but the fundamental character of the speaker won't, or at least shouldn't be changed granted the designers kept the line consistent, as JBL has.
I think this is a false assumption with respect to the JBLs. The 305P is not a flat-measuring speaker, with a recessed lower-midrange and exaggerated upper-midrange and treble. The 308P is a very flat-measuring speaker. Unless equalised, they are not going to be similar-sounding speakers IMO.
I am looking past frequency response as that is easily changeable. And while tonality of course makes speakers sound different, the drivers, the electronics and the fundamental design of the JBL 30X lineup are virtually identical, which gives the speaker and it's line up it's true sonic character. One speaker can be better than the other but they are still cut from the same cloth. And tonality is not the only measure of performance, both objectively and subjectively. If you EQ'd a 305P and 308P flat, they most certainly would sound extremely similar, maybe even the same, but not because they measure identically in the frequency domain after EQ.
The JBL HDI-1600 follows a similar design philosophy but you can bet it will probably sound much better than a 308P, even if its frequency response is worse out of the box. And when they are both EQ'd flat, they will probably sound different.
Compare a 308P to a T8V or an Airmotiv 6S, all EQ'd flat, and they will sound different because they are completely different speakers. You can't EQ out distortion, dispersion, max SPL, etc. which is where I am putting my emphasis on why the JBL lineup is going to sound like they are closely related. Which is why I don't have to listen to the 308P, to know that I will personally prefer the Airmotiv 5S, given my past experience with the 306P and LSR305.
If you strongly preferred the sound of a JBL 308P to the sound of an Airmotiv 5S, I will not make the argument that you may enjoy the Airmotiv 6S more than the 308P. You might like the 6S over the 5S, but they are too similar for you to turn a complete 180, and ditch the 308P for the 6S.