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“Klinger Favre vs others” or “Studio monitors vs hi-fi speakers”

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choqueiro

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It’s my first thread/message in the forum and I have the feeling that I have angered a lot of people here without really knowing why. I copy part of my initial message: “In reference to Klinger Favre speakers. I know very few people in this forum know them and many less have been able to listen to them. So if anyone could provide me of any information/experience about them, I would be very grateful”.

That someone told me that is the best speaker available doesn’t mean: that I would like it after hearing; that I have the similar taste; that I’m convinced to buy a product without hearing.

I have raised this matter on the forum, precisely, because: I don’t trust just one opinion and here are many good audiophiles, with many speakers upon his shoulders and also because maybe someone of the forum could have a personal experience with these speakers. I live far away from the manufacturer and, to me, having a first approach through an audio forum seems reasonable (maybe I’m wrong).

With respect to the brand and his popularity, difussion or importance, it’s obviously that we are not talking about a reference and popular brand. This said, it’s very well known in his own country (France) and it’s very well known in the French’s audio pro community.

Thanks to everyone and specially to pierre. Your opinion has been very useful to me.
 

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It’s my first thread/message in the forum and I have the feeling that I have angered a lot of people here without really knowing why.
You shouldn't interpret as anger people disagreeing that there is anything notable about this company. It's just their opinion,.and nobody has been rude or upset at all.
 

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It’s my first thread/message in the forum and I have the feeling that I have angered a lot of people here without really knowing why. I copy part of my initial message: “In reference to Klinger Favre speakers. I know very few people in this forum know them and many less have been able to listen to them. So if anyone could provide me of any information/experience about them, I would be very grateful”.

That someone told me that is the best speaker available doesn’t mean: that I would like it after hearing; that I have the similar taste; that I’m convinced to buy a product without hearing.

I have raised this matter on the forum, precisely, because: I don’t trust just one opinion and here are many good audiophiles, with many speakers upon his shoulders and also because maybe someone of the forum could have a personal experience with these speakers. I live far away from the manufacturer and, to me, having a first approach through an audio forum seems reasonable (maybe I’m wrong).

With respect to the brand and his popularity, difussion or importance, it’s obviously that we are not talking about a reference and popular brand. This said, it’s very well known in his own country (France) and it’s very well known in the French’s audio pro community.

Thanks to everyone and specially to pierre. Your opinion has been very useful to me.
I would say vague internet opinion is nothing more than reading their marketing materials, first of all human isn't capable to really distinguish about flatness in FR, and in room (real life) listening impression is largely dominated by the playing material and even more on the room condition, where you sit, room modes or other things. one perfectly flat on axis speaker with great directivity can sound inferior if you put it in any random spot full of reflections and cancellations, say if you have both corner bass boost and desktop boost a flat speaker will sound muddy as bass will be boosted some 15-20db and overwhelms everything else, while you put it in some more decent locations it would sound clean and clear.

In this forum most of us tend to believe in measurements and then put into consideration our habits, speaker locations and music we want to enjoy to make a educated guess.

Imagine it's some speed dating, you can have dozens of guys praising how pretty and nice the girl is, but you just don't feel the same
 

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It’s my first thread/message in the forum and I have the feeling that I have angered a lot of people here without really knowing why. I copy part of my initial message: “In reference to Klinger Favre speakers. I know very few people in this forum know them and many less have been able to listen to them. So if anyone could provide me of any information/experience about them, I would be very grateful”.

That someone told me that is the best speaker available doesn’t mean: that I would like it after hearing; that I have the similar taste; that I’m convinced to buy a product without hearing.

I have raised this matter on the forum, precisely, because: I don’t trust just one opinion and here are many good audiophiles, with many speakers upon his shoulders and also because maybe someone of the forum could have a personal experience with these speakers. I live far away from the manufacturer and, to me, having a first approach through an audio forum seems reasonable (maybe I’m wrong).

With respect to the brand and his popularity, difussion or importance, it’s obviously that we are not talking about a reference and popular brand. This said, it’s very well known in his own country (France) and it’s very well known in the French’s audio pro community.

Thanks to everyone and specially to pierre. Your opinion has been very useful to me.
Don’t think you’ve angered anyone. The tone here is frank but a bit blunt at times. Once they (we) noticed a lack of repeatable or at least credible measurements… we become, and with just reasons, suspect , even dismissive. This said and to continue the, somewhat, traditions here: Welcome!
Then, bluntly, KF is suspect to me. Stay on the side of companies who aren’t afraid of their wares’ measurements by independent or creditable parties.

Peace..
 

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I would say vague internet opinion is nothing more than reading their marketing materials, first of all human isn't capable to really distinguish about flatness in FR, and in room (real life) listening impression is largely dominated by the playing material and even more on the room condition, where you sit, room modes or other things. one perfectly flat on axis speaker with great directivity can sound inferior if you put it in any random spot full of reflections and cancellations, say if you have both corner bass boost and desktop boost a flat speaker will sound muddy as bass will be boosted some 15-20db and overwhelms everything else, while you put it in some more decent locations it would sound clean and clear.

In this forum most of us tend to believe in measurements and then put into consideration our habits, speaker locations and music we want to enjoy to make a educated guess.

Imagine it's some speed dating, you can have dozens of guys praising how pretty and nice the girl is, but you just don't feel the same

..and luckily it is.:)That we like different, that speakers work differently, different listening rooms, with different types of recordings. It create different soundscapes. It would be a very sad world if everyone thought exactly the same.

Fortunately, there is no major consensus in the thread I link to below.The proposals hail:


I only say dipole speakers, electrostatic speakers and there are those who love such, others think they just sound "equal" (regardless of music after a while listening, no dynamics .... but an open "clear" sound, wide "soundstage" and so on and so forth). Omni speakers? ...
And then I do not even have how much eco, reverberation time, attenuation of reflexes in the listening room you like..

:D

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Forgot! Maybe difference in taste in terms of directivity and desirable FR, BUT low distortion regarding speakers, I am basically quite sure that EVERYONE wants.

Room acoustics describes how sound behaves in an enclosed space. Sound of different frequencies behaves differently in a room. Reflections between walls, floor and ceiling create room modes at specific frequencies and locations. Reflections also produce reverberation.

After determining the best dimensions of the room, using the modal density criteria, the next step is to find the correct reverberation time. The most appropriate reverberation time depends on the use of the room


 

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Hi!!

My name is Juan. I´m from Spain (Europe). I’m 42 years old. Father of three children of 3, 5 and 7 years old (I´m never bored.... hahaha). I work on a real estate company. We make buildings and sell the homes. Sorry for my horrible english. Let’s hope you understand me.

Lately I‘m hearing a lot of good things about Klinger Favre speakers… or I should better say studio monitors… (http://klinger-favre-english.blogspot.com/). If hi-fi world is already enough complicated for newbies like me, the controversial between these two type of products, one for the professional market and other for the home enthusiast, is really confusing. It seems to be a classical debate…(https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...udio-monitors-vs-hi-end-hi-fi-speakers.26706/).

Recently I was talking with a renowned audiophile that has a high-end hi-fi shop, and he said me, talking about this controversy between professionals monitors vs hi-fi speakers the next: ”I don't care if it's studio or domestic. I only care about sound”. After hearing his words I think: That's not what this is all about?? The SOUND.

This audiophile also talked me about the Klinger Favre speakers. For him, one of the best out there, with no distinction between professional monitors or hi-fi speakers. In his favour I must said that he don’t sell Klinger Favre. Although he would like to sell it, Klinger sells only direct to customers. No dealers.

Many monitors are active’s. Not this case. From many monitors it is said that their sound is excessive analytical (that can cause fatigue) and I think: this quality is exclusive of the monitors?? Many hi-fi speakers are analytical, even harshness, and no one talk about “studio sound”. Furthermore, we talk in some cases of ”German sound” or similars…

In reference to Klinger Favre speakers. I know very few people in this forum know them and many less have been able to listen to them. So if anyone could provide me of any information/experience about them, I would be very grateful.

Thanks to everyone.
My advice to all the folks asking for speaker advice. Look at Amir's (and Erin's) test results and buy the highest rated one you can afford and that plays well with the other gear you have (given that is appropriate for your use - size, looks, etc. matter too).
 
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