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I think DIY is not the best option for a noob like me. I can't wait to see the Amir's review of these new Elac Uni fi referenceI prefer DIY, especially for subs, but I'd be real keen on trying the new Elac Uni-fi References.
I think DIY is not the best option for a noob like me. I can't wait to see the Amir's review of these new Elac Uni fi referenceI prefer DIY, especially for subs, but I'd be real keen on trying the new Elac Uni-fi References.
Genelec 8330A $1600
SB2000 pro $800
Denon 3600h
I get DIY isn't for everybody. That's why I didn't suggest it, just put out a feeler. Subs are easy though, no crossover, get a kit or two that come with enclosures, a Crown amp, a little elbow grease and presto.. I had to try. To play the game all the way.I think DIY is not the best option for a noob like me. I can't wait to see the Amir's review of these new Elac Uni fi reference
very good point. I really don't know what is the procedure when audio down mixes from 5.1 or 7.1 to stereo or stereo.1 in a typical AVR. whether it pulls out the .1 portion and sends it out directly to the sub (Sounds like a good idea) or it mixes down everything like a noodle soup and then tries to separate the noodles from the broth and send them to the added subwoofer and if there would be any meaningful difference between the final results.
with non AVR systems I think everything is going to be downmixed to stereo by TV which has no idea about the subwoofer down the line so It will mash the soup thoroughly and sends it to the poor DAC or Preamp or DSP and it is up to that dude to separate the noodles from this mixture. Therefore, yes for the movie experience the subwoofer would not receive a direct dedicated signal and should try its best with whatever DAC gives to him and that should be fine because movies are not my main priority. But honestly I don't know how bad or good or fine it would be
Welcome!Initially I wanted to buy an AVR (3.1 with upgrade in future) but down the road I realized that I appreciate a better music quality over the surround features for the movies so I passed the AVR + Speakers options and started to look at the Streamer , DAC, Amp + Speakers options. [A reasonable priced AVR (e.g. Denon X-3700H) technically cover all those features but seems that AVRs do not have a good sound quality (General Audiophile opinion)
Here's one that will utterly destroy that in every way:With all that said and considering the tight budget I choose KEF LS50 Wireless II + SVS SB-2000 Pro ($3300: $2500+$800)
To me it ticks all boxes. The only negative point or missing item about this option is lack of room correction (I don't know how important is that. I can do some parametric EQ for the Subwoofer via the SVS app and REW but not much after the crossover and I don't know if that is enough or not)
Is there any better option for me to have all my needed features and provide better sound quality end result in my room?
I was in a very similar situation as you, except needed an analogue source. I ended up going with the KEF WII, I spent a lot of time researching separates and they were appealing, but WII seemed like a great value compared to $1,500 passive metas then finding sufficient amplification, streaming, etc. within a similar budget.
They sound great, but be warned, you may have some frustrating times with connectivity and the app. I have a Samsung tv, it's ARC function worked with Klisph the Fives, but not with my WII's. They had a firmware update to improve ARC connectivity with LG and Sony tvs, maybe Samsung is in the pipeline.
If you're prepared to occasionally reset your speakers, app, and router, and fiddle with that stuff, you'll probably be fine. But just be aware.
The new Bluesound NODE which now had HDMI eARC paired with some powered/active speakers might be a nice alternative as well.
You probably missed the review.Sadly I dont think there is any high quality third party measurements of them online..
Recommendations are of course subjective and also depend on personal needs.Of the coaxial/coincident speakers I've heard:
KEF LS50W<Elac Navis<Kali IN-5<Kali IN-8 v2<Devialet Phantom Reactor<Genelec 8260
You probably missed the review.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...fives-powered-bookshelf-speaker-review.22892/
Wow they look absolutely beautiful. Someone should show these to GenelecYou know what looks even better paired with the little KEF KC62 sub? The Kanto Tuk's. It's hard to believe they weren't designed to go together
With all of these outrageous manufacturing chip issues, I think I am not going to be able to buy anything soon. So, please let me know if you happen to find a chance to compare the speakers. Thanks for the commentA pre-covid buddy of mine told me he owned a pair of wireless LS50's so I researched them and found out they're the bee's knees, almost universally praised amongst both audiophiles and normal people. A little later I ended up buying a used pair of Audioengine A5+ speakers that I wanted to compare to his LS50's and then I bought a pair of Kanto Tuk's which I thought sounded even better so I really wanted to compare them to his LS50's but we'll probably have to wait until all this covidiocy is done before we can (if it ever ends). I fully expect his wireless LS50's to sound better than my speakers (in fact I think there's something wrong if they don't), I just want to see how his $3000 wireless LS50's sound compare to my $530/pair Audioengine's and my $1100/pair Kanto's
Recommendations are of course subjective and also depend on personal needs.
I used to own myself the Kali IN-8 (v1) and even the Neumann KH120 and with EQ I preferred even my old first gen passive LS50 to both of them (so I sold both again) and of course the LS50 Meta without the need of EQ. The only problem is that as a small 2-way its limited in bass depth and max SPL, something which can be dealt though with a good sub matching using a high crossover frequency.
Talking about max SPL, what makes me surprised is that this thread is already 3 pages long but I haven't seen one question of the most important decision factor which is the listening distance...
Thank you for the options. The only unclear point to me then is what is the difference between the sound quality of an AVR and separate systems?Welcome!
This is false and I suggest you re-think as we do have some fine options for AVRs (not all are created equal). Plus they benefit hugely from economies of scale.
Here's one that will utterly destroy that in every way:
Denon AVR + Genelec 8030c + HSU VTF-2 MK5
Alternates:
Denon AVR + Swans M300 MkII + HSU VTF-15H MK2
Denon AVR + Buchardt S400 (4 ohm) + buy a sub later, maybe a Hypex NC252MP also
Add a new Google Chromecast to one of the HDMI ports and I believe all of these will sound fantastic in their own way and give you all the features you should need.