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The wobbly speaker support pictures for the listening tests is most surprising for a self designated audio science review pilot.
As a single unit I'm not sure if there's anything comparable but cheaper, but Neumann KH150 + KH750 should be even better for ~$5k. KH150 alone at 96dB works as good which is remarkable especially for the size and have very similar directivity. You could even try them without a sub first, it's a bargain at less than single S360Since I sit around 4m away from the speakers those would be nice in my living room. Whats not so nice is the price. Are there any alternatives that with good spl and directivity that are more budget friendly? While of course having qualities of a well design studio monitor?
How is the 8350 in comparison ?As a single unit I'm not sure if there's anything comparable but cheaper, but Neumann KH150 + KH750 should be even better for ~$5k. KH150 alone at 96dB works as good which is remarkable especially for the size and have very similar directivity. You could even try them without a sub first, it's a bargain at less than single S360
Smaller...How is the 8350 in comparison ?
rather more expensive at $5k for a pair with no sub (vs $3.5k for KH150), a 2+1 Genelec (8350 + 7360) set is $7.5k which makes it almost the same as a pair of S360. Better comparison by woofer size would be with 8340, which is a bit less expensive than the KH150, unless you go with a subHow is the 8350 in comparison ?
Why?If your focus is on inner detail the aluminium models may suit better.
Well I just got a pair of 8240 SAM for 800$ used and will pair them with 2 Subs. But still even the KH150 does not really throw the music in the room like a s360 its just a totally different concept. KH150 is more like a 8340. Maybe those JBL with compression drivers are similar? But JBL tries really hard to make a technically inferior speaker to Neumann and Genelec so it is a nono for me.As a single unit I'm not sure if there's anything comparable but cheaper, but Neumann KH150 + KH750 should be even better for ~$5k. KH150 alone at 96dB works as good which is remarkable especially for the size and have very similar directivity. You could even try them without a sub first, it's a bargain at less than single S360
Sure, discontinued models are always much cheaper, that's a good deal.Well I just got a pair of 8240 SAM for 800$ used and will pair them with 2 Subs. But still even the KH150 does not really throw the music in the room like a s360 its just a totally different concept. KH150 is more like a 8340. Maybe those JBL with compression drivers are similar? But JBL tries really hard to make a technically inferior speaker to Neumann and Genelec so it is a nono for me.
SPL and distortion at higher output? Less early reflections?Sure, discontinued models are always much cheaper, that's a good deal.
Drivers in S360 and KH150 are way different, but frequency response, dispersion characteristic, headroom, THD are all very similar, what about the S360 in the measurements make it that different from KH150? I wonder how they compare in a blind test, listening while looking at a big speaker with 10" woofer and compression driver compared to a wimpy 6.5" midbass is not really fair
JBL stuff: Studio 590, 4329P, S3900 used..
These have the dynamic range and even dispersion
Measurements doesn't follow this assumptionSPL and distortion at higher output? Less early reflections?
In the budget sector Neumann & Genelec can't compete though, because they're not "budget" - JBL with their 305p & particularly 308p Mkii:SPL and distortion at higher output? Less early reflections?
Yes all the JBL offerings are inferiour to Neumann and Genelec even in the same price range when you compare the data on this site. Since I am in Europe it is not even fair when I take price into account. Seems like if you are looking at a "perfect" 2way speaker buying anything else seems a bit weird. At least if your purely looking at the measurements.
S360 has better directivity control and significantly better output (5-10dB) below 500-1kHz and, above 1kHz, slightly wider radiation and a little better output compared to KH150. They are similarly smooth in terms of horizontal directivity, and the KH150 has better vertical directivity.Measurements doesn't follow this assumption
What do you mean by "better output"? All measurements with realistic volumes (they were measured at 96dB so that's what I'm referring to) are rather similar, from THD to on axis response, on a few occasions KH150 are even better (I would argue that on axis response is more important than THD values below the perception threshold) while costing less than half of S360 - which is my point, similar (not necessarily better) performance where it counts but much less expensive.S360 has better directivity control and significantly better output (5-10dB) below 500-1kHz and, above 1kHz, slightly wider radiation and a little better output compared to KH150. They are similarly smooth in terms of horizontal directivity, and the KH150 has better vertical directivity.
So I don't know what measurements you're looking at.
KH750 is an excellent product for all of its functions, but not a very good subwoofer.
Both would be fine in most rooms, although there's no competing with the S360 in a large room.
Below 100-200Hz you have to hit at least 100dB to have enough volume for perceptual curves. And even with room gain, a large space and listening distance of 3m or more mean you need a capable speaker and subwoofers. You can of course rely on the perceptually synthesized "missing fundamental", but that's never as good as sufficient output.What do you mean by "better output"? All measurements with realistic volumes (they were measured at 96dB so that's what I'm referring to) are rather similar, from THD to on axis response, on a few occasions KH150 are even better (I would argue that on axis response is more important than THD values below the perception threshold) while costing less than half of S360 - which is my point, similar (not necessarily better) performance but much less expensive.