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LOL, let's keep going, prove that you have a window.
I want proof Purite Audio even made that post before it's worth answering. Could have been hacked. Or his wife posted while he wasn't looking.
LOL, let's keep going, prove that you have a window.
I just saw a pig fly past my open window.
Keith
You want some kind of evidence that I actually saw a flying pig ( through my closed window and driving rain, thanks Emlin )I want proof Purite Audio even made that post before it's worth answering. Could have been hacked. Or his wife posted while he wasn't looking.
I want your opinion on if you think decoupling speakers make a differenc, if coupling makes a difference or any type of material you use below the speaker to support the speaker makes a difference.You want some kind of evidence that I actually saw a flying pig ( through my closed window and driving rain, thanks Emlin )
Keith
Fine does it?The question you should be asking is, does decoupling make an audible difference.
Keith
Are these speakers you promote on your website decoupled?Not in the experiments I have conducted.
Keith
I have a pair of Deni’s Mesanovic stands, they are properly engineered,( spring in gaskets) I am using them under a pair of 8Cs at the moment to bring them up to more or less ear height.
Keith
I think he may have missed the part where you (Op) already stated the height change may be why your speakers sound better.
You could raise the height with any number of (likely much cheaper) alternatives.
After all the doubt you cast on my experience: Why did you choose spring based? If there were no plausible benefits, why bother?
Frank Dernie of this very forum suggested that these stands were as far as he could tell properly designed and fit for purpose.
You could raise the height with any number of (likely much cheaper) alternatives.
After all the doubt you cast on my experience: Why did you choose spring based? If there were no plausible benefits, why bother?
What purpose specifically? It must be something beyond merely raising the speakers because as I said, you could do that without a spring basedFrank Dernie of this very forum suggested that these stands were as far as he could tell properly designed and fit for purpose.
I reasoned that these would be a good choice for comparative measurement.
Keith
I think he may have missed the part where you (Op) already stated the height change may be why your speakers sound better.
But did the thread help you to decide if you should fill your speaker stands?I stumbled on this post searching to see if I should buy filler for my stands. I really enjoyed your (OP) post and your viewpoints as well as the positive portions of the debate going back and forth. I didn't enjoy some people, that in my opinion, seemed condescending to you and think you handled it well. You stated in the begining that you(OP) were not going to take measurements that some people want and that you enjoy the listening tests after making tweeks, some people in this thread ignore this and insist you do things their way or else you're crazy and delusional without posting measurements themselves.
That's a reversed case study of a highly microphonic component.I used cinder blocks in an attempt to reduce phono feedback. So I made a stand for the stereo from cinder blocks and I placed the speakers on cinder blocks too. I did notice some reduction in feedback and I was able to crank up the volume without excessive feedback after. So I think in some circumstances it helps.
Great job!In summary.
I did the time-honored (and slightly messy) task of filling one of my speaker stands with sand. I measured nearly zero difference in sound before and after the stands were filled with sand. I also measured the tolerance of the experiment to speaker and mic placement and showed that tilting speaker position by just a few millimeters in the horizonal or vertical plane made a much larger difference in the sound than the addition of sand to the stands. This gives some confidence that I got the speakers positioned in the same place after filling the stands. I also found that positioning the speakers 8 inches closer to the wall made a much more dramatic impact on the sound than treating the stands with sand.
BTW, I don't see a single post you can accuse of "rude behavior".Wow, what did you expect from ASR? Really? Expectations doesn't excuse rude behavior.
My impressions are not really useful.Are you saying a person's direct experiences isn't a type of evidence for themsleves to decide for themselves on what works and doesn't for themselves? A person's declaration on a direct experiences is evidence, the credibility to someone else is completely different.
My impressions are not really useful.
I went into the sand-filled stand test with some predisposed beliefs:
That was my personal prejudice, and probably defines most of my circle of confusion in this whole affair. I tried to control for these in my approach.
- There would be only very small measurable differences between sand and no-sand.
- I might find it difficult to to return the sand filled stand and speaker to the same position. So I better skew the angles to understand repeatability.
- I wouldn’t likely hear the differences in (1) or (2) unless I moved the speaker a large distance. Because I just don't trust my ears.
I still believe my experiences are not useful, sometimes contra-useful.
I saw less change between sand and no-sand than I even anticipated.
My impressions and experiences of music or sound have limitations and fallibility when I try to use for comparison.
In a possibly related note, I only have one speaker stand sand-filled now. I know I can't hear the difference, and I know measure identical. But it will bug me until the end of days if I don't fill the other one. So I will, of course I will.