$4500 for a sub with an F6 of 22hz. That said, 110dB continuous isn't too bad. I'd like to see CTA-2010 results.New ATC sub
$4500 for a sub with an F6 of 22hz. That said, 110dB continuous isn't too bad. I'd like to see CTA-2010 results.New ATC sub
at $4500 it better performs no?They seem to compare quite well against more modern measurement based speakers. Sorry if the link has been posted already...
In a nutshell less accurate more comfy.
According to ATC spec sheet, it has an F6 of 22hz in half space. So +6dB of output compared to free field.$4500 for a sub with an F6 of 22hz. That said, 110dB continuous isn't too bad. I'd like to see CTA-2010 results.
I thougth the 3 models were in the same price range, around 13k.at $4500 it better performs no?
When watching that video the reaction from all three of them is like: “Okay, both the Grim and the Dutch and Dutch speakers got studio-like detailed sound”, and therefore they both got the pass of being more “accurate”, but they have obviously too much details.They seem to compare quite well against more modern measurement based speakers. Sorry if the link has been posted already...
In a nutshell less accurate more comfy.
I personnally enjoy that my speakers let me hear a maximum of those details. To me that's a real and natural sound.When watching that video the reaction from all three of them is like: “Okay, both the Grim and the Dutch and Dutch speakers got studio-like detailed sound”, and therefore they both got the pass of being more “accurate”, but they have obviously too much details.
To me, it’s obvious that they prefer the sound of the ATC’s, and that those speakers reproduce a more natural sound.
It’s just a ”tall tale” that you need to hear extreme details when mixing music. The speakers that sound more real and natural will also give you the more real and natural end-result, you simply don't need to hear more than that.
I can assure you there’s no lack of details from ATC SCM40. If these speakers had more details it would be over the top, there's nothing more you need to hear if you use them for mixing.I personnally enjoy that my speakers let me hear a maximum of those details. To me that's a real and natural sound.
When watching that video the reaction from all three of them is like: “Okay, both the Grim and the Dutch and Dutch speakers got studio-like detailed sound”, and therefore they both got the pass of being more “accurate”, but they have obviously too much details.
To me, it’s obvious that they prefer the sound of the ATC’s, and that those speakers reproduce a more natural sound.
It’s just a ”tall tale” that you need to hear extreme details when mixing music. The speakers that sound more real and natural will also give you the more real and natural end-result, you simply don't need to hear more than that.
when it rolls off the highs, it's lacking the highs detail as in it's not true to what is recorded. Sure the details are still there but in a fainted way, but that's not what is meant by not lacking.I can assure you there’s no lack of details from ATC SCM40. If these speakers had more details it would be over the top, there's nothing more you need to hear if you use them for mixing.
What speakers do you have?I personnally enjoy that my speakers let me hear a maximum of those details. To me that's a real and natural sound.
No, a speaker can’t create more details but it can give you too much energy in the upper frequencies in the listening position.What is "too much details" ? Does the speaker create by itself informations that are not in the recording ?
Or is it that the speaker reproduces more details (by not "hiding" them) than the other, and for what reason wouldn't it be good ?
No, a speaker can’t create more details but it can give you too much energy in the upper frequencies in the listening position.
The ATC SCM40 are not hiding any details, they are highly revealing speakers.
well, the Dutch and Dutch are found to have in room listening position measurements being textbook perfect as of natural/real as in the recording itself, so how would it be "give you too much energy in the upper frequencies in the listening position"??When watching that video the reaction from all three of them is like: “Okay, both the Grim and the Dutch and Dutch speakers got studio-like detailed sound”, and therefore they both got the pass of being more “accurate”, but they have obviously too much details.
To me, it’s obvious that they prefer the sound of the ATC’s, and that those speakers reproduce a more natural sound.
It’s just a ”tall tale” that you need to hear extreme details when mixing music. The speakers that sound more real and natural will also give you the more real and natural end-result, you simply don't need to hear more than that.
Not really Erins in room measurements show there is higher energy in the highs vs the mids.well, the Dutch and Dutch are found to have in room listening position measurements being textbook perfect as of natural/real as in the recording itself, so how would it be "give you too much energy in the upper frequencies in the listening position"??
the ATC might be neutral or maybe not where I don't have a definitive answer, but from the available few measurements they don't really looked like they are flat anechoically nor really even handed, so in my understanding it's producing too much energy in here and there by itself, and there's no such thing as "it's magically tuned to fix the room reflection defects so your listening position will be perfect but not the real flat speakers", everybody's room or even studio won't have exact same reflection etc, so by no way the ATC could magically design a non DSP or having something like DIRAC to fix the room issue just by magical natural tuning signature
I don't know if you have experience with music production, but I can tell you that ATC speakers works very well for that application.when it rolls off the highs, it's lacking the highs detail as in it's not true to what is recorded. Sure the details are still there but in a fainted way, but that's not what is meant by not lacking.
It mutes the highs and lows for quite a bit, so if one do mixing with it will boost those frequencies, so in anything that is true to the source will sound harsh and too bright.