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USB audio jitter

tomli747

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It seems there is no resend when a frame is lost in isochronous mode. What will happen if some samples are missing? Does it cause jitter?
 

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Losing a frame would cause a pop or drop out.

Jitter has to do with how consistently the frames are delivered.
 

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The vast majority of DACs these days reclock the data so jitter on the USB signal does not matter.

A lot of testing has shown the dropout rate is essentially 0 for home USB links.
 

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As Maverickronin has said frame loss will cause dropout and pops. It is not a gradual loss of quality.

Dacs reclock data from USB asychronously. There are some design details that can let a DAC be effected by the USB noise. Smart choice is to buy a good DAC not effected by the issue.
 

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Will a poor quality USB cable cause more frame loss and degrade sound quality?
No. Likely the DAC will not work at all. In all my testing, I have run into one such cable I had to throw away. Otherwise as others have said, cheap cables don't cause fidelity issues you can hear.

To force errors I had to string two thin and long USB cables and that is something most people are not doing.
 

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No. Likely the DAC will not work at all. In all my testing, I have run into one such cable I had to throw away. Otherwise as others have said, cheap cables don't cause fidelity issues you can hear.

To force errors I had to string two thin and long USB cables and that is something most people are not doing.
Isn't audio over USB very low demand compared to video data ? I remember playing video media from a CD over USB. Isn't the packet bandwidth so high that issues due to jitter are difficult to discover, and never a prevalent problem ?
I am seeing lots of products pedaled claiming to get gains by fixing USB jitter. I also see what are called USB "reclockers" that are built on a fallacy that clock synch are done over some wire in real time across the bus.
I guess the trend is audio jargon will first extrapolate RF principles to the audio spectrum and now this is carried across onto digital packet communication.
I wonder if there is any single publication targeted at expelling all the cooked up myths.
 
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