What is better in CRT then the flat panel type TVs that effect gaming?
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The Case Against OLED
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Input lag ~8 ms + nostalgia factor + correct resolution for old consoles
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This video has a nice rundown of the situation:
The CRT Hype Train Might Be Out of Control... - CRT vs OLED
LG OLED TVs have extremely low input lag with an incredible 1ms response time.
I was saying that miniLEDs look best in rooms with some illumination. I tested that last night and will take back that statement. With all the lights off my Samsung looks it's best. It's brightness capabilities really stand out, even though on some darker scenes the light bleed/blooming become more apparent. It really depends on the scene. On the vast majority of content that I watch it's not a problem. I was surprised to see that a lot of content intentionally does not go to pitch black. My TV could go a lot darker than a lot of the content does. They're choosing dark gray on purpose and I think it is a little easier on the eye than pitch black against bright white text. I took the TV out of filmmaker mode and put it into standard mode and it gets brighter and better on a lot of content. Some stuff is better with filmmaker mode so it's good to have these modes as needed. I'll say that as bright as my TV is, I'd like it brighter still, even in a darkened room. 1500 nits peak brightness is not eye searing. I'd gladly take 4,000 or 10,000 nits. It's nowhere close to enough to hurt my eyes. My understanding is that they eyes work similar to the ears. A doubling of nits is not perceived as twice as bright.
I guess I'm a brightness freak!
I guess I'm a brightness freak!
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Just got a Samsung Neo QLED 4K QN90B and installed it over the Easter weekend, for the kids to game on.
To me, briefly comparing it to the OLED, it looks a little bit washed out. I was honestly expecting more, given the reviews. It certainly lacks the visual punch of the OLED, and I think this Samsung is more or less the best one could get in terms of LCD today, sans Dolby Vision support.
I'll just say though, as my first Samsung TV ever, I was really taken aback by the sheer amount of vomit that's installed by default and cannot be removed. In particular something called "Samsung TV", which is a huge collection of advertising and useless crap, which plays by default and any mistaken touch of the channel up/down toggle (which is easy to touch, by design), will move from any input into this Samsung TV mess. So if you want to increase the volume while in your PlayStation game you can easily end up in Samsung TV unless you're careful, which my son is not. Hardly a friendly UX.
I ended up running it without WiFi, just to gain some measure of control. But yuck, I've got Sony, Panasonic and LG displays, they're not anywhere near that obnoxious.
To me, briefly comparing it to the OLED, it looks a little bit washed out. I was honestly expecting more, given the reviews. It certainly lacks the visual punch of the OLED, and I think this Samsung is more or less the best one could get in terms of LCD today, sans Dolby Vision support.
I'll just say though, as my first Samsung TV ever, I was really taken aback by the sheer amount of vomit that's installed by default and cannot be removed. In particular something called "Samsung TV", which is a huge collection of advertising and useless crap, which plays by default and any mistaken touch of the channel up/down toggle (which is easy to touch, by design), will move from any input into this Samsung TV mess. So if you want to increase the volume while in your PlayStation game you can easily end up in Samsung TV unless you're careful, which my son is not. Hardly a friendly UX.
I ended up running it without WiFi, just to gain some measure of control. But yuck, I've got Sony, Panasonic and LG displays, they're not anywhere near that obnoxious.
I agree, there's a lot of junk loaded on these Samsung TVs, stuff that I never use. I've gotten really good at not accidentally doing the wrong thing with the remote.
There might be a market potential here for a 3rd party remote that has none of the unwanted buttons on it.
Have you watched the so called “comparison” video? Title says comparison but there’s no test shown using an OLED. What made you say CRT is better?
Besides, he is not using a CRT TV. Its a computer monitor operating at 75Hz, which is 3x the broadcast standard (2.5x in US).
Crt motion is better not overall crt. The 120 fps section comes.from the LG C1 and as far as i recall there were 100hz crt tvs or not?
Our family was the first to have a "TV" on the island that we lived in and there was just one state-owned channel that aired maybe 6 hours a day...
Ooops, I forgot that was year 1968 and the line outside of our front door was like a breadline in today's Sudan, wanting to see what a TV looked like.
I had no use for TV until around 1989, when my mate moved-in and insisted we get a TV. She fondly remembers growing-up in the 1950s' TV mania years... (see Brian BenBen on the 1990s American sitcom series "Dream On").
I was willing to pay for quality TVs (like the SonyTrinitron, Panasonic/LG Plasmas).
Yet, I was NOT willing to have one that became the centerpiece in a living room.
Nor did I want to count the number of zits on an actors face while watching a movie.
Our current 55" LG OLED@4K should last us about 4-6years (~3hours/day), as I've read that 6-years is the average 'TV turn-over' rate.
Before the LG purchase, I unsuccessfully searched for a simple 55" OLED dummy "Monitor" without AiO TVs, because they don't exist.
Ooops, I forgot that was year 1968 and the line outside of our front door was like a breadline in today's Sudan, wanting to see what a TV looked like.
I had no use for TV until around 1989, when my mate moved-in and insisted we get a TV. She fondly remembers growing-up in the 1950s' TV mania years... (see Brian BenBen on the 1990s American sitcom series "Dream On").
I was willing to pay for quality TVs (like the SonyTrinitron, Panasonic/LG Plasmas).
Yet, I was NOT willing to have one that became the centerpiece in a living room.
Nor did I want to count the number of zits on an actors face while watching a movie.
Our current 55" LG OLED@4K should last us about 4-6years (~3hours/day), as I've read that 6-years is the average 'TV turn-over' rate.
Before the LG purchase, I unsuccessfully searched for a simple 55" OLED dummy "Monitor" without AiO TVs, because they don't exist.
If you're not viewing critically, the difference between a top OLED and a bottom LCD is insignificant and even unnoticeable. I own two OLED TVs, and countless LCD TVs and monitors of various quality levels. I also use an OLED phone. Viewed critically, I'd use an OLED 9/10 times, but in a super bright space, I'd use a QLED.
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OLED displays are showing up on laptops. Quite a few of machines from ASUS have them. Also, the Dell XPS 15. I'm wondering how they will do in the laptop environment. I wonder if something like that is needed to edit photos which will be published on the web and viewed on who knows what. Similarly, if the image will be printed does an OLED provide a better preview than a typical LED/LCD display? I don't want to be turning down the saturation or contrast on a OLED display when the target display is not so lush.
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Our 65" Sony Bravia XR-X90J was irreparably damaged when we moved across town so I'm replacing it. It was about as textbook-neutral as a consumer LED LCD set could be in 2021. (These things are now commodity items. You can't get a replacement panel for a 2 year-old set.)
As a retired lifelong broadcaster I don't get the whole "brightness wars" thing at all. It can be quite literally painful to watch, and the Samsung QLED solution to more and more nits and their weird signal processing shenanigans seems to come with the unfortunate baggage of nonlinearly applied jacked-up luminance across the entire gray scale and cartoony colors, neither of which look anything at all like what the standards intend, so that's out. Still, it would be nice to get a little more peak brightness to approach the capabilities of the HDR standards than the Sony and other "regular" LED LCD displays can muster.
All that coupled with recent efforts by the set markers to address OLED longevity has me leaning toward one in my budget. The 65" LG C2 OLED might be ticket for me. The newest OLEDs seem adequately bright without blinding the viewer and come with all the benefits the technology offers over LED LCDs.
FWIW, I spent close to a decade with 1080p projectors and a 96" screen. Sitting in the dark got depressing.
As a retired lifelong broadcaster I don't get the whole "brightness wars" thing at all. It can be quite literally painful to watch, and the Samsung QLED solution to more and more nits and their weird signal processing shenanigans seems to come with the unfortunate baggage of nonlinearly applied jacked-up luminance across the entire gray scale and cartoony colors, neither of which look anything at all like what the standards intend, so that's out. Still, it would be nice to get a little more peak brightness to approach the capabilities of the HDR standards than the Sony and other "regular" LED LCD displays can muster.
All that coupled with recent efforts by the set markers to address OLED longevity has me leaning toward one in my budget. The 65" LG C2 OLED might be ticket for me. The newest OLEDs seem adequately bright without blinding the viewer and come with all the benefits the technology offers over LED LCDs.
FWIW, I spent close to a decade with 1080p projectors and a 96" screen. Sitting in the dark got depressing.
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Have you calibrated the panel or applied some recommended PQ settings at all?
Samsung QN90B QLED Calibration Settings
We used the following calibration settings to review the 65 inch Samsung QN90B QLED (QN65QN90BAFXZA), but they're also valid for the 43 inch, 50 inch, 55 inch, 75 inch, and 85 inch models.
www.rtings.com
TV Settings Samsung QN90B QLED
Best TV Settings Samsung QN90B (Q90B). Find here amazing TV Settings for the Samsung QN90B TV from different well known sources.
best-tv-settings.com
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OT: It is outright despicable how the industry has fully mind-raped their core consumer-base with their acronym-jumble.
LCD, LED/LCD, OLED, QLED, Qdot, Quantum, ... what's next "AIAIoU-TV?
LCD, LED/LCD, OLED, QLED, Qdot, Quantum, ... what's next "AIAIoU-TV?
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Calibrated, no, it's just for light gaming. Settings, yes.Have you calibrated the panel or applied some recommended PQ settings at all?
Samsung QN90B QLED Calibration Settings
We used the following calibration settings to review the 65 inch Samsung QN90B QLED (QN65QN90BAFXZA), but they're also valid for the 43 inch, 50 inch, 55 inch, 75 inch, and 85 inch models.TV Settings Samsung QN90B QLED
Best TV Settings Samsung QN90B (Q90B). Find here amazing TV Settings for the Samsung QN90B TV from different well known sources.
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Avoiding ads and all other clutter is a side benefit of an Apple TV4K. I just plug it into an HDMI port on the display and use it for everything.
Am I allowed to post this here?
5days remaining and the 77"/83" are already sold out.
Originally, I was going to post a summary of TV-size vs. FOV vs. Viewing- distance.
Instead I won't summarize and post what I have found (YMMV):
Instead I won't summarize and post what I have found (YMMV):
