Interchange. I only intended to keep one set but have had a hard time deciding which I prefer. I've now applied Amir's adjustment at 1 4khz and employed bass adjustment up to 300hz via ARC and will see how that does. I have the white which I think are quite fetching.
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Technics SB-C700 Review (Coaxial Bookshelf)
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Nice, and the M106 finish?
No flies on the Revel either.
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ROOSKIE
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Right now I have many speakers here at home, either owned or borrowed. (doing a bunch of research)
Currently my favorites are the KEF R3 and the JBL 4309. Two such very different speakers, yet both sound so intangibly good.
If I had to pick I would easily take the 4309, not even a question on that. (I should mention the 4309 is mine while the KEF is semi permanently here) Yet if I had to recommend a speaker to someone else I would have them try both of these units and try a Revel as well to get a feel for a few different presentations that are great but notably different.
Currently my favorites are the KEF R3 and the JBL 4309. Two such very different speakers, yet both sound so intangibly good.
If I had to pick I would easily take the 4309, not even a question on that. (I should mention the 4309 is mine while the KEF is semi permanently here) Yet if I had to recommend a speaker to someone else I would have them try both of these units and try a Revel as well to get a feel for a few different presentations that are great but notably different.
Revel is my go to but always wanted to try a KEF R3
There is no boost at 200 Hz? This really doesn't make sense.
Yeah, that's why I always import the data into REW or if I'm short on time, match scaling in photoshop. These days I tend to use the region around 200-400Hz to match comparisons because it seems that's where people tend to anchor their impressions of spectral balance. Here's one such anecdote per olive 2004 part 1:
"An interesting trend is that the lowest variance in spectral ratings occurred with band 3 (227 Hz), and to a lesser extent, band 4. One possible explanation for this is that listeners may use this band as an anchoring or reference point for judging the balance of the loudspeaker. This seems logical since the harmonic fundamentals of many instruments, including voice, fall within this range."
Paper 2, the famous preference score paper, elaborates:
" The use of a reference band of 200-400 Hz is based on an observation made in Part One (see section 4.8 of [1]). When asked to judge the spectral balance of each loudspeaker across 6 frequency bands, listeners referenced or anchored their judgments to the band centered around 200 Hz. One plausible explanation is that many of the fundamentals of instruments, including voice, fall within 200-400 Hz, and the levels of the higher harmonics are referenced to it."
Not sure if there is a more specific paper that studies this phenomenon, but it's interesting and totally makes sense to me.
Typical Panasonic, they make great consumer electronics with near 0 marketing, polar opposite to Sony
Also, it seems they recently announceda new model, the C600
Technics Announces the New SB-C600 Bookshelf Speaker System as Part of the New Premium C600 Series
Technics today announced the launch of the new SB-C600 Compact Bookshelf Speaker System which is part of a new Series called Premium C600.na.panasonic.com
Panasonic appears to be marketing vaporware though. No C600 here AFAIK!
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There is when you draw the average estimated in room response a bit differently, aligned to the mids. That results in a tubby sound character:
ROOSKIE
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Panasonic appears to be marketing vaporware though. No C600 here AFAIK!
Technics - SB-C600-K Bookshelf Speakers (Pair)
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ROOSKIE
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Unless your room is huge you are in the frequency range where the room is very dominate and as well the SBIR could be affecting the sound tremendously depending on placement from the walls.
What are you using to measure in room and what are you doing to mitigate these factors? (if anything)
It would also be helpful to know how far you placed the drive units from the boundaries and what size the room is.
Technics - SB-C600-K Bookshelf Speakers (Pair)
The world's largest online retailer of high-end audio, audiophile music, and accessories. We specialize in vinyl records and turntables.
Really? Scroll down further and they are Out of Stock…
Anybody able to confirm they actually own one?
ROOSKIE
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Yes, I know they are out of stock.
The idea is that they are listed and that means they are likely really coming out here.
You stated they are "marketing vaporware" and I was attempting to confirm it looks like they are not vaporware but rather about to arrive.
They are a brand new product announced in early winter, with various delays I don't think that anyone owns a pair here yet though it must be getting close via the MD listing that now allows ordering them.
They are now listed on the USA Technics site as well.
Technics Audio USA
Music is borderless and timeless, touching people's hearts across cultures and generations. Each day the discovery of a truly emotive experience from an unencountered sound awaits. Let us take you on your journey to rediscover music. Technics.
Looks to be an interesting design and perhaps an upgrade in some ways and a engineering downgrade in others.
Yes, I know they are out of stock.
The idea is that they are listed and that means they are likely really coming out here.
You stated they are "marketing vaporware" and I was attempting to confirm it looks like they are not vaporware but rather about to arrive.
They are a brand new product announced in early winter, with various delays I don't think that anyone owns a pair here yet though it must be getting close via the MD listing that now allows ordering them.
They are now listed on the USA Technics site as well.
Technics Audio USA
Music is borderless and timeless, touching people's hearts across cultures and generations. Each day the discovery of a truly emotive experience from an unencountered sound awaits. Let us take you on your journey to rediscover music. Technics.www.technics.com
Looks to be an interesting design and perhaps an upgrade in some ways and a engineering downgrade in others.
I hope you are right, but the context of my response was to an earlier post claiming Panasonic's "near zero marketing".
Given the pandemic supply chain issues, may be just part of the new reality, but that press release was from September 2021. So, my point is that there seems to only be marketing to date. Time will tell. The quoted musicdirect price is already much lower than the C700, but if you click on the C600 SHOP link on the US Technics site, you get a 404...
Maybe more proof of marginal marketing? If one bad review helped do in the C700, would think they would be very careful about the go-to-market message for apparent successor.
If it were my product, under the circumstances, I would ensure that eval units were getting in the hands of reviewers and managing expectations on the C600's availability. So far, all we have is wishful thinking and without any market message, potential customers give up and go buy something else.
Maybe we should make an appeal for Amir to get a review sample?
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I highly doubt that there will be any of these available for purchase but feel free to attempt, I've got a strong feeling that the order will get kicked back. I just don't see how they have manufacturing to backup marketing based on their history.Yes, I know they are out of stock.
The idea is that they are listed and that means they are likely really coming out here.
You stated they are "marketing vaporware" and I was attempting to confirm it looks like they are not vaporware but rather about to arrive.
They are a brand new product announced in early winter, with various delays I don't think that anyone owns a pair here yet though it must be getting close via the MD listing that now allows ordering them.
They are now listed on the USA Technics site as well.
Technics Audio USA
Music is borderless and timeless, touching people's hearts across cultures and generations. Each day the discovery of a truly emotive experience from an unencountered sound awaits. Let us take you on your journey to rediscover music. Technics.
Looks to be an interesting design and perhaps an upgrade in some ways and a engineering downgrade in others.
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How can anything that costs this much and needs EQ be rated anything other than poor?
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Thanks @Jmudrick and @amirm! I’ve owned a pair of these for a bit now but never got around to measuring them - I never wanted to take them out of the system they were in!
My guess from your comments you listened to them toed in such that you were listening on axis. IMO these speakers sound best firing straight ahead. The slight HF attenuation balances out the mids and opens up the soundstage.
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I also doubt that the SB-C600 is a direct successor of the SB-C700, here in Germany a pair of C600 costs 1000€ while the C700 price had even risen to 1500€. Also 5" vs 6" and simpler rectangular enclosures. Its a shame that their availability and is rather poor as they are very good loudspeakers, had heard both the SB-C700 and flagship SB-R1 when they were presented in 2014.
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Im not sure where "this much" EQ comes from? Can you explain please?
Mine are so aimed.
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He said 'costs' this much. Anyway 2db at 1400 hz isn't EQ that's sitting up straight or slouching, whatever.
Amir always says 'So switched out the speaker with Revel M105. Wow, oh wow!' Am I missing the point of this review site or is there some reason for anyone here not to just go out and buy the revels and be done with it?
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