Speakers cable help

[maty]

Star quad, the best geometry to build audio and power cables
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=156793.0

https://www.google.com/search?q=star+quad+speaker+cable

-> https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/bi-w...aker-cable-copper-4x208mm-o107mm-p-11708.html € 4.90 / m

 

[maty]

https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/search?search_query=Banana+Lockable

-> https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/bana...ananas-lockable-black-o6mm-set-x4-p-4935.html € 32.90

-> https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/bana...le-gold-plated-silver-o6mm-set-x4-p-5286.html € 32.90

https://benchmarkmedia.com/products/benchmark-speaker-cable-nl2-to-banana-2-pole

https://benchmarkmedia.com/products/benchmark-speakon-connector

https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/speakon-plugs-c-349.html

-> https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/speakon-plugs/neutrik-nl2fx-fiches-speakon-femelle-p-3395.html

https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/speakon-plugs/fiche-speakon-neutrik-femelle-nl4fc-p-10652.html

[PDF] ASSEMBLY INSTRUCTION NL4FX / NL4FRX
https://www.neutrik.com/media/11062/download/bda-114---speakon-nl4fx--nl4frx.pdf

 

[Berwhale]

I use Van Damme Blue Studio Grade 2.5mm, you can buy by the meter or pre-made like this...

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Single-Van...amme+Blue+Series+2.5mm&qid=1571734382&sr=8-10

 

[digicidal]

I've always used the 4S11... plus it sleeves very nicely with this... throw on some heatshrink or cable pants and terminate to suit - and you've got a >$500 looking cable for <$50.

It doesn't work/sound any better - but it's purdy.

 

[Daverz]

Unfortunately, their cables are made of CCA.

CC wha?

 

[digicidal]

Star quad, the best geometry to build audio and power cables
https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=156793.0

LOL... not that I'm arguing against star quad geometry per se (esp. since the cable I use is)... just laughing at your link to your own outside post as referrence. Don't ever change @maty it would be boring. I suppose the appropriate question is, in an ABX were you able to differentiate between a simple stranded pair and a star-quad cable?

You must have EMI noise "up the wazoo"... I've never been able to hear a difference at all (I just see one when I sleeve a thicker cable). Of course, I've never heard my power cables at all... so that could be just my ears.

 

[digicidal]

CC wha?

Copper Clad Aluminum

 

[maty]

If we have no noise and interference problems we will not notice differences. But we are more and more likely to have them. The latter, the blissful cheap LED with cheap/bad transformers that fail to comply with the rigorous European regulations and make the electricity grid and the atmosphere dirty with a lot of RF/EMI.

https://reductionrevolution.com.au/...s-to-led-lights-causing-tv-radio-interference

http://www.ledbenchmark.com/faq/LED-interference-issues.html

In Audio, the RF interferences (f < 1 Mhz) are the important.

 

[Willem]

Properly fitted connectors are probably the most important concern. I have had a channel drop out because the cleaning lady had been a bit enthousiastic. Neutrik make great professional grade connectors but sadly a lot of home audio gear still uses traditional styles.

 

[digicidal]

Properly fitted connectors are probably the most important concern. I have had a channel drop out because the cleaning lady had been a bit enthousiastic. Neutrik make great professional grade connectors but sadly a lot of home audio gear still uses traditional styles.

That's why I like to use locking bananas as opposed to plain. Either that or bare wire on the speaker end where there's more room to work with. I do really like the Neutrik's but not enough to retrofit for them. Then again my cleaning lady is my wife or myself... so we just don't go there. If I ever hire someone else to do the cleaning... there will be a hard 2ft radius rule for anything with a wire.

In Audio, the RF interferences (f < 1 Mhz) are the important.

Then why bother showing them highlighted in the 96MHz-110MHz range? And how much is it at 18kHz? Because I can't even hear that anymore and it's much lower than 1MHz.

Unless the OP is specifically dealing with huge noise issues related to their power grid or LED lighting - I think it's safe to say that the similarities between wire geometries are infinitely greater than their differences - especially at the same gauge/distance. Regardless, you win this round... sorry I poked the bear guys.

 

[maty]

Because a cheap/bad generate and radiate RF too. I commented on the LED lights because it is the last thing to arrive and that it is contaminating the power grid. The penultime was the cheap mobile chargers. And so, you add small amounts and in the end we have too much noise and interference in urban concentrations.

 

[nm4711]

I would use a copper cable with a cross-section are of 1,5 mm^2 or 2,5 mm^2. Bigger is better but those should suffice.

There are CCA cables made of aluminium and a some copper. They are cheaper, because aluminium is cheaper, but have a higher resistance with the same cross section area.

I bought my cables from thomann.de, but the shipping costs are high to Italy.

 

[Julf]

I would use a copper cable with a cross-section are of 1,5 mm^2 or 2,5 mm^2. Bigger is better but those should suffice.

There are CCA cables made of aluminium and a some copper. They are cheaper, because aluminium is cheaper, but have a higher resistance with the same cross section area.

Sure, but that is easily addressed by using a slightly larger cross section cable. On the other hand, i would not use aluminium for anything that needs to be flexible - it is fine for permanent installation.

 

[Julf]

Because a cheap/bad generate and radiate RF too. I commented on the LED lights because it is the last thing to arrive and that it is contaminating the power grid. The penultime was the cheap mobile chargers. And so, you add small amounts and in the end we have too much noise and interference in urban concentrations.

How do you feel about 5G mobile and wifi?

 

[Wombat]

Because a cheap/bad generates and radiates RF too.

@Matey, your seeming misfortune regarding mains power system problems seems to be an isolated problem that you may have. Repeatedly offering specific advice based on your situation, in this regard, is hardly relevant to what most members will experience.

 

[maty]

A good star quad cable is not that expensive. And one can build it easily.

@Matey, your seeming misfortune regarding mains power system problems seems to be an isolated problem that you may have. Repeatedly offering specific advice based on your situation, in this regard, is hardly relevant to what most members will experience. View attachment 36674

A good star quad cable is not that expensive. And one can easily build it with quality connectors that make very good contact like bananas locked or speakon. And each speaker wire has 2+2 mm2 = 4 mm2.

 

[Julf]

A good star quad cable is not that expensive. And one can build it easily.


A good star quad cable is not that expensive. And one can easily build it with quality connectors that make very good contact like bananas locked or speakon.

It is not about cost or price. What Wombat wrote was "Repeatedly offering specific advice based on your situation, in this regard, is hardly relevant to what most members will experience."

If you only know about nails, your advice will always be "use a hammer"...

 

[BillG]

There are CCA cables made of aluminium and a some copper. They are cheaper, because aluminium is cheaper, but have a higher resistance with the same cross section area.

The properties of copper-clad aluminium wire include:

• Less expensive than a pure copper wire
• Lighter than pure copper
• Higher electrical conductivity than pure aluminium
• Higher strength than aluminium
• Electrical connections are typically more reliable than pure aluminium
• Typically produced as a 10% or 15% by copper volume product

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper-clad_aluminium_wire

 

[March Audio]

@Matey, your seeming misfortune regarding mains power system problems seems to be an isolated problem that you may have. Repeatedly offering specific advice based on your situation, in this regard, is hardly relevant to what most members will experience. View attachment 36674

Or the product of a vivid imagination.

 

[maty]

Builded: Blue Jeans Cable Canare 4S11 Speaker Cable

https://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm


https://www.amazon.de/dp/B078468YFL 2m, € 45.82

https://www.amazon.com/Blue-Jeans-Cable-Conventional-Terminations/dp/B01MTXE7I5 2m, $ 45.00