SMSL's new products DL100 DAC

[ChenHui]

I received a promotional email from SMSL. According to the email, they will introduce a new decoder with HDMI (ARC) input at the end of May. I don't quite understand the significance of this interface for a decoder. Is it meaningful? Would anyone connect a DAC to a TV?

 

[Dunring]

It looks neat, I've had the DL200 a few times and hope they fixed the click that makes when changing bit rates. The form factor is great because it can fit a Topping A90 or other full size amplifier on top of it.

 

[ChenHui]

It looks neat, I've had the DL200 a few times and hope they fixed the click that makes when changing bit rates. The form factor is great because it can fit a Topping A90 or other full size amplifier on top of it.

I want to know how the A90 performs. Can you briefly share? Is Topping's quality slightly better than SMSL's?

 

[Graham849]

I have my DAC connected to my TV via optical, but rarely use that connection. The TV is usually just used as the monitor.

 

[TonyJZX]

audio via hdmi is a thing too

these guys here love to use that

but i mean this is basically another re-use of the DL200 chassis

will like to see what it ends up costing? $150?

also need to see if they keep TRS? I'd say no

but yeah could work well as a preamp to the slew of power amps out right now

 

[IndieSynth]

If it will auto-on when TV is on and be controllable by the TV remote then it's useful. Otherwise I'm not sure what it adds.

 

[Dunring]

I want to know how the A90 performs. Can you briefly share? Is Topping's quality slightly better than SMSL's?

I have three A90 amplifiers and all are within .1db until 15 percent volume and then perfectly aligned for channel matching. I just personally like them better than the A90D because of the dot matrix display and remote aren't needed for an amplifier. I've had so many of both brands over the years, the fail rate is the same (usually 1 percent with computers and electronics). Topping updates more frequently, with SMSL you're pretty much assured they'll come out with a new version before doing a firmware update, they rarely release them. Topping designs are more elegant, SMSL is more utilitarian, but it depends on the model. I have the SMSL SP400/M400 stack and also an A90/A70Pro stack and the fit and finish on all their top tier products are excellent, but SMSL uses more plastic and the gauge of sheet metal for cases is thinner (push on the DL200 and it'll flex).

Topping has nicer design and finishes, but SMSL has gotten a lot better with the DO400 and DO300EX which I've got also. Both have a very clean looking and nice IPS display. Heat is a big difference between them, each has different models that can heat up a room by 1 degree F if left on all the time. Not as bad as Gustard like the X26 running two 9038Pro's in current mode instead of voltage mode, and will bubble the finish on the right side if left on over time in a cabinet and not in front of a fan.

 

[ChenHui]

I have three A90 amplifiers and all are within .1db until 15 percent volume and then perfectly aligned for channel matching. I just personally like them better than the A90D because of the dot matrix display and remote aren't needed for an amplifier. I've had so many of both brands over the years, the fail rate is the same (usually 1 percent with computers and electronics). Topping updates more frequently, with SMSL you're pretty much assured they'll come out with a new version before doing a firmware update, they rarely release them. Topping designs are more elegant, SMSL is more utilitarian, but it depends on the model. I have the SMSL SP400/M400 stack and also an A90/A70Pro stack and the fit and finish on all their top tier products are excellent, but SMSL uses more plastic and the gauge of sheet metal for cases is thinner (push on the DL200 and it'll flex).

Topping has nicer design and finishes, but SMSL has gotten a lot better with the DO400 and DO300EX which I've got also. Both have a very clean looking and nice IPS display. Heat is a big difference between them, each has different models that can heat up a room by 1 degree F if left on all the time. Not as bad as Gustard like the X26 running two 9038Pro's in current mode instead of voltage mode, and will bubble the finish on the right side if left on over time in a cabinet and not in front of a fan.

You responded in detail, thank you.

 

[Bleib]

Wow, SMSL finally makes 4 and 5 volt selectable. Great! They should update current DACs to make this a choice as well but sadly they are quite bad with firmware updates.
I don't personally see a need for HDMI, optical from TV is fine, but I guess one might have another device that already uses optical so HDMI can be useful

The new B2 also uses CS DAC, any reason to why they use them more often now? Cheaper to purchase than ESS and AKM?

 

[ChenHui]

Wow, SMSL finally makes 4 and 5 volt selectable. Great! They should update current DACs to make this a choice as well but sadly they are quite bad with firmware updates.
I don't personally see a need for HDMI, optical from TV is fine, but I guess one might have another device that already uses optical so HDMI can be useful

The new B2 also uses CS DAC, any reason to why they use them more often now? Cheaper to purchase than ESS and AKM?

CS chips are very popular among manufacturers in China. They have even become a kind of commodity futures with prices fluctuating unpredictably. Many products are using a large number of CS chips. I have owned the M300SE before, and this chip left me with a very good impression.

 

[TonyJZX]

for sure they are must have mass trading in this CS chip given they seem to use 2 4 or even 8 of them

there's two other products?

the B2? and one with 8 processors?

 

[totti1965]

audio via hdmi is a thing too

these guys here love to use that

but i mean this is basically another re-use of the DL200 chassis

will like to see what it ends up costing? $150?

also need to see if they keep TRS? I'd say no

but yeah could work well as a preamp to the slew of power amps out right now

Can you tell me please what TRS means?

thorsten

 

[Bleib]

Can you tell me please what TRS means?

thorsten

What is a TRS Cable? – Mission Engineering

missionengineering.com

 

[TonyJZX]

looks like some more details:

>As an entry-level DAC in the SMSL DL series, the DL100 offers exceptional value for money. It features a comprehensive range of input interfaces, as well as XLR+RCA outputs, and two headphone jacks - one 6.35mm and the other 4.4mm. It will be competitively priced upon release. Stay tuned!


its supposed to be out now

 

[totti1965]

What is a TRS Cable? – Mission Engineering

missionengineering.com

Thanks!

 

[ChenHui]

SMSL DL100|Gaming AMP|Audio DAC|Pre-amplifier

4PCS CS43131|TI OPA1612A High-End Dual Op Amp|Independent headphone amplification circuitry|True Balance Design|HDMI(ARC) can be decoded for TV | Dual Mode USB

smsl.shop

It looks like SMSL released this product today, priced at $180. It comes with a headphone amplifier, and I think from a practicality and value perspective, it will be much better than the DO200PRO. （The DO200PRO uses 12 pieces of CS43131, although I completely don't understand why so many D/A chips are used. ）The DL100 changes the TRS interface to XLR.

 

[TonyJZX]

https://www.smsl-audio.com/portal/product/detail/id/878.html

SMSL DL100|Gaming AMP|Audio DAC|Pre-amplifier

4PCS CS43131|TI OPA1612A High-End Dual Op Amp|Independent headphone amplification circuitry|True Balance Design|HDMI(ARC) can be decoded for TV | Dual Mode USB

smsl.shop

$179

https://imgur.com/a/ViHbzWC

looks like a winner

it has IEC... its got the new 5000 series BT chipset so it does LDAC and the new AptX


has full XLR and has HDMI arc in AND it has boosted headphone out

literally cant find any weaknesses

i truly dont need one but I could probably sneak one in on 11/11

BUT as always we know sometimes they sneak in little buggs here and there

this is the combo DL200 AL200 case so I dont know why they just didnt go XLR on the ESS and AKM variants???

 

[Bleib]

literally cant find any weaknesses

5.2v XLR and 2.5v RCA
Should rather be standard 2/4v

 

[TonyJZX]

surely a slightly hot signal isnt too big a deal?

i mean its not like a 4v rca right??? right?

 

[Bleib]

surely a slightly hot signal isnt too big a deal?

i mean its not like a 4v rca right??? right?

To me it's an idiotic hunt for a higher SINAD number, not all devices will be happy with receiving 5.2v or 2.5v
At least Topping has understood to make 4 and 5v selectable in the menus