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Amir Jr has much to prove before Amir Snr can hand over keys to the panther cabinet.
Where's the panther?
Thanks for the findings @amirm, so much discussion about them being different across all audio communities . I only owned HD 600 once.
Likewise for the HD660S vs the 58X. When I saw Sennheiser was using the same 150 ohm spec. It didnt take much to conclude their lazy asses werent doing anything special.
Likewise for the HD660S vs the 58X. When I saw Sennheiser was using the same 150 ohm spec. It didnt take much to conclude their lazy asses werent doing anything special.
Im thankful as a consumer their cost cutting didnt coincidentally entail having sound degradation, or much of a FR shift. Though it makes you wonder, were they that big of a bunch of idiots to think simple housing changes would be enough in avoiding the canabalization of their product line? Getting them in this position they find themselves in now, having to sell off their consumer division? Likewise, cutting deals with Massdrop?Their two drivers are very obviously different :
HD58x driver
HD660S driver
Whether that results in something special or not, I'll leave to others .
Deluded folks.
Likewise for the HD660S vs the 58X. When I saw Sennheiser was using the same 150 ohm spec. It didnt take much to conclude their lazy asses werent doing anything special.
Also, whats up with the prices on their site? $500 for an HD650 (and now both their 600 and 650 are out of stock for some reason). When did they reach these prices? They have lost their minds.
Whoops I meant HD600HD650 has always had a mrsp of $500.
HD650 is generally touted as being a slightly warmer headphone than the HD600, which is backed up by some measurements out there, but they are undeniably very similar. I've got the HD600 (bought new last year) and for me it's the only headphone I truly enjoy without any equalisation applied (and you likewise thought it was good at stock), however it's my least favourite headphone once equalisation is applied due the inherent small soundstage of the HD600/650. Vocals are a real joy with the HD600 even at stock and were the standout quality for me. Re distortion, the HD600 is generally shown in most measurements to have slightly more distortion in the bass and slightly less distortion in the mids & treble when compared to the HD650, but there's not much in it. The HD600 is a really solid headphone if you're not bothered by the small soundstage but enjoy some beautiful vocals/mids.This is a review and detailed measurements of the Sennheiser HD600 headphone. I purchased this sample new after I visited major labels around year 2000 and noticing this was a reference headphone they used. I handed it to my son Karman who has been using it for years and replacing the worn out pads. He was visiting us (we are all vaccinated) and brought it with him. I had shown him how to make measurements and what you see below are his.
Other than showing some wear, you can't tell the HD600 from HD650:
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The measurements you are about to see are made using a standardized Gras 45C. I searched for any and all measurements I could find online. Alas while a number of them are close to mine, none are using the exact fixture down to coupler and pinna. As you will see, I have confirmed the approximate accuracy of the measurements using Equalization and listening tests. Ultimately headphone measurements are less exact than speakers above a few kilohertz so keep that in mind as you read these tests.
Sennheiser HD600 Measurements
Let's start with our usual frequency response measurements:
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This is basically the same as HD650 given the vagaries of headphone measurements, fit, pad wear, etc.:
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Distortion is higher but this could just be wear and tear:
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Here is Group Delay which again is similar to the HD650:
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Sensitivity is essentially the same. Variation is due to slightly different reference point:
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Sennheiser HD600 Listening Tests
I only made a brief evaluation of the HD600 with and without equalization I made for HD650. I could not tell a difference between the two in the confines of slow switching time between the two headphones. As with HD650, I was yet again impressed by how good this headphone sounds. Equalization made an improvement but the headphone was very listenable without it.
Conclusions
I don't know what is supposed to be different between HD600 and HD650. Based on both objective and subjective testing, these two headphones perform the same.
To the extent the HD600 is available and costs less than HD650, it would make just as good a purchase.
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Yes, great point about Harman without the bass, spot on.Review for those in a hurry Amir! LOL.
I'm using a HD600 with worn pads at the moment as my new pair comes in. Strangely there seems to be a shortage in Australia for the last two months. It will be nice to make a comparison to new pads.
Like others have stated, I think it's an oversimplification to say the 650 & 600 sound identical. In every single user experience case I've heard the 650 is warmer and smoother. The bump in the lower mids/high bass compared to the 600 confirms it.
The HD600 has the most realistic timbre of any headphone I've heard (most under $600). Snares sound utterly addictive, probably my favorite aspect of the whole FR.
A great option for those who might prefer Harman without the massive sub-bass shelf of the K371.
In terms of budget Harman-accurate phones the prime bunch seems to be the HD600, SRH440, R70x and K371.