He should have used 1/10th of that 4 years first learning how to do controlled listening tests. And also how recordings have nothing to do with live music....
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Rob Watts talk at recent CanJam NYC 2023
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Is calling out bullshit claims, and trying to cut through his brand of nonsense that exploits ignorance an agenda?
Will this one need the M-scaler too? I wonder if there is a package deal...
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There is a bigger and better (and more expensive) Scaler coming too.
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He belongs at head-fi.
It does, especially since most of those bets are quite public around here, and there are several of us who would be happy to participate in such a wager.
That's ok, I have read so much about this forum that is simply made up that I can't be bothered to care what the latest lie about us is.
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Well Mojo2, Hugo2, Hugo TT2 got recommendations for performance (not price) - so we all know he is competent.I own a Chord Mojo and impressed by it so other -ve criticisms of him are hearsay cause to me the proof is in the pudding (Mojo) and Rob Watts imho is a competent digital audio designer.
The thing is all the stupid things he writes
The mere fact that this is wasn’t mentioned the minute it allegedly happened tells you all you need to know.
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I love it. The guy invites his former friend from high school to his home to show of his expensive toys, and he proves to him that they work. Devastated by this loss, and jealous of FunyBassMan's immense wealth and golden ears, friend runs away not even holding up to his end of the bet.. Beautiful story. Childishly naive, yet so intense. Put in a backstory of bullying, social rejection and a sexy young woman who regrets making fun of FunkBassMan after witnessing all this first hand; work it into a musical and teenagers would love it - you'd make billions.
PS. You should stop lying in bed, reading Head-fi late at night
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Thanks for agreeing that Watts is competent.
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That is not a 'gotcha' moment - it is written by Amir himself in the reviews of those products I listed.Thanks for agreeing that Watts is competent.
The measurements are very good for those products (not Dave).
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12/12 for identifying the white and red led's. Seems reasonable to me.
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Most of what was said in the first 30mins of the talk seemed technically correct to me.
But its a bit like uncle Paul. Most of what Paul says makes sense right up to the 'weeeelll' then nonsense comes out which is what his fans seem to want to hear.
The same thing happens except there is no .... weeeellll there is an almost seamless transition from facts to 'his observations/listening skills'.
This 'technique' sets the idea that all that he says in the first 30 mins is technically correct (so he knows about the designs) that everything he says later on also MUST be correct.
This makes it very easy to 'trust' everything Rob says.
Obviously Rob has done a lot of work with DACs and can create well measuring/performing DACs.
Its the nonsense around it and price tag that makes it harder to swallow.
Those not knowing about the technical bits are likely to believe everything that he says and are convinced more expensive = better.
What's the unbelievable part is that while he sells his IP to DAC manufacturers and they can see what Rob's ideas are they cannot seem to make 'audible best performing' DACs (only Rob seems to be able to do this.
Another thing he rushes over is that he focusses on the DAC side (with all its 'distortion' and 'noise floor' modulations making all recordings sound 'true to life' yet completely goes by on the issues and techniques used on the recording side.
As if there are no filters there, there is no distortion and noise floor modulation and different ADC techniques there. Only the DAC side and simple RC filter (and his amp design) is what makes the difference between 'musical' and 'analytic/cold'.
But its a bit like uncle Paul. Most of what Paul says makes sense right up to the 'weeeelll' then nonsense comes out which is what his fans seem to want to hear.
The same thing happens except there is no .... weeeellll there is an almost seamless transition from facts to 'his observations/listening skills'.
This 'technique' sets the idea that all that he says in the first 30 mins is technically correct (so he knows about the designs) that everything he says later on also MUST be correct.
This makes it very easy to 'trust' everything Rob says.
Obviously Rob has done a lot of work with DACs and can create well measuring/performing DACs.
Its the nonsense around it and price tag that makes it harder to swallow.
Those not knowing about the technical bits are likely to believe everything that he says and are convinced more expensive = better.
What's the unbelievable part is that while he sells his IP to DAC manufacturers and they can see what Rob's ideas are they cannot seem to make 'audible best performing' DACs (only Rob seems to be able to do this.
Another thing he rushes over is that he focusses on the DAC side (with all its 'distortion' and 'noise floor' modulations making all recordings sound 'true to life' yet completely goes by on the issues and techniques used on the recording side.
As if there are no filters there, there is no distortion and noise floor modulation and different ADC techniques there. Only the DAC side and simple RC filter (and his amp design) is what makes the difference between 'musical' and 'analytic/cold'.
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His DAVINA ADC for the pro audio customer is to address this (apparently).
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But not all recordings use it... how can Chord DACs still make the sound 'more natural' when the downsides of the ADC/processing is already 'embedded' in the recording ?
That would basically mean that only ADC's - processing - DAC loop mad by Chord would be able to sound 'natural' ?
That would basically mean that only ADC's - processing - DAC loop mad by Chord would be able to sound 'natural' ?
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Can you name any other DAC that uses Watts' IP besides Chord ?
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prepare for this to be the marketing in his future talk
solderdude
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Obviously there are only a handful of DAC chip manufacturers and who knows maybe some manufacturer may have contacted him in the past.
If there is any IP in there, and if there is, whether or not it is significant remains to be seen. No one that knows will likely tell.
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Ok...I had thought you knew the DAC manufacturer when you quoted this "What's the unbelievable part is that while he sells his IP to DAC manufacturers and they can see what Rob's ideas are they cannot seem to make 'audible best performing' DACs (only Rob seems to be able to do this."
Perhaps I misunderstood.
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