PS Audio FR10 sneak peak

[Penelinfi]

There they are, they look "normal sized" I guess. Rear passive radiators on this one

 

[SDC]

Why the distance between neo8 and the woofer? Pure design?

 

[Zvu]

If the crossover point between midrange and woofers is low enough it wont have negatives but can boost their response toward low frequencies enabling less baffle step compensation and higher sensitivity final product. Also, keeping the woofers low is known way to eliminate 180Hz-280Hz dip that is result of the floor bounce when measuring in-room response.

And i mean if the crossover point is low enough.

 

[Chris Brunhaver]

While these are based on the BG NEO8, it's our own design - we tooled our own plates, are using magnets twice as large and a higher grade and have corrugation and some aluminum segments at the edge for damping. Here is a picture of the custom diaphragm.

Sensitivity of the mid is pretty high at 96 dB and we have an integrated sealed back chamber.

We cross over the driver at about 500 Hz and the low placement of the woofers is to, as Zvu mentions, eliminate the floor bounce in the woofers (and midrange), as it exists above the woofers range and below the midranges range, based of their respective heights off the floor.

 

[JPA]

Floor bounce is still controversial. Toole has implied it's beneficial, but whether it is or not seems to depend on the music.

 

[Chris Brunhaver]

Floor bounce is still controversial. Toole has implied it's beneficial, but whether it is or not seems to depend on the music.

I know that Paul Barton at PSB is a big disciple of Toole's work and does his measurements at the NRC and also a lot of work around the vertical placement of the woofers in their tower designs around this topic. Martin logan/paradigm also mention this in their newest design (optimizing the driver placement for boundary interaction and smooth in-room response.

It is something that isn't represented in the free field measurements of speaker but a functional issue with loudspeakers and rooms.

I had originally considered spacing the woofers closer but this is the reasoning for the current baffle layouts.

 

[thewas]

We cross over the driver at about 500 Hz and the low placement of the woofers is to, as Zvu mentions, eliminate the floor bounce in the woofers (and midrange), as it exists above the woofers range and below the midranges range, based of their respective heights off the floor.

The low placement of the woofer definitely has the advantage you mention, on the other hand I would be interested to hear from you why you didn't place one of the woofers high(er) for a more distributed modal excitation?
Thank you also for participating here.

 

[CtheArgie]

While these are based on the BG NEO8, it's our own design - we tooled our own plates, are using magnets twice as large and a higher grade and have corrugation and some aluminum segments at the edge for damping. Here is a picture of the custom diaphragm.

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Sensitivity of the mid is pretty high at 96 dB and we have an integrated sealed back chamber.

We cross over the driver at about 500 Hz and the low placement of the woofers is to, as Zvu mentions, eliminate the floor bounce in the woofers (and midrange), as it exists above the woofers range and below the midranges range, based of their respective heights off the floor.

Chris,

When will you make public the "proper" measurements that you promised when the FR-30 was launched?

 

[Chris Brunhaver]

Chris,

When will you make public the "proper" measurements that you promised when the FR-30 was launched?

We sent an aspen FR20 out for Klippel NFS testing but there was an issue with the low frequency measurement of the system not being represented in those measurements accurately (by a couple of dB).

I still posted some of them here, including some on and off axis frequency response, directivity index and ERDI, a horizontal polar map, a ground plane bass measurement.

 

[Chris Brunhaver]

The low placement of the woofer definitely has the advantage you mention, on the other hand I would be interested to hear from you why you didn't place one of the woofers high(er) for a more distributed modal excitation?
Thank you also for participating here.

I think that with a taller, more expensive speaker model that could definitely make sense. Those widely spaced woofers are more directional, than more closely spaced ones and so we can't do that with our planar midranges without moving to a 4-way system. That ends up being a cost and bass output compromise because a decent proportion of your enclosure volume might be taken up by the 3rd "way" in the 4-way system. It would be possible to do a tapered 3.5 way design though with a pair of woofers on top and bottom but only in a 4 woofer system. with tighter spacing on the inner set of woofers.

 

[SDC]

While these are based on the BG NEO8, it's our own design - we tooled our own plates, are using magnets twice as large and a higher grade and have corrugation and some aluminum segments at the edge for damping. Here is a picture of the custom diaphragm.

View attachment 287964

Sensitivity of the mid is pretty high at 96 dB and we have an integrated sealed back chamber.

We cross over the driver at about 500 Hz and the low placement of the woofers is to, as Zvu mentions, eliminate the floor bounce in the woofers (and midrange), as it exists above the woofers range and below the midranges range, based of their respective heights off the floor.

500 seems a bit high too me. But I'm no pro so just my 2 cents...

 

[VintageFlanker]

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[Chris Brunhaver]

I've been chatting a bit with Erin Hardison off and on and I'm going to get a pair sent out to him in a couple of months for measurement and review.

We also, have an upcoming review in HifiNews in the UK that should publish first, I think.

One thing to keep in mind in the US is that PS Audio sells direct and offers and trade-in program (giving you your full retail purchase price back as a credit towards up to 25-30% of your new purchase). A lot of people take advantage of this and so the effective pricing for them is $7500.

 

[CtheArgie]

"Chatting a bit....on and on... in a couple of months..."

We've heard this story before.

 

[outfaced]

 

[Matias]

It's OK I guess but did not impress me much. And the aesthetics and price do not help...

 

[3125b]

Better than some (most?) boutique brands and better than PS Audios previous ... undertakings, but (especially for the price) pretty mediocre.

 

[FrantzM]

Hi

We may need to put our prejudices on pause (not easy , it is after all PS Audio ). I would reserve judgment until I hear these.
But in regard of their MSRP (about $10,000)
.. The competition is brutal and unforgiving with arguably better objective performance:
I'd rather get one of these
Passive: Kef R11 Meta, Revel F228Be,
Active : Genelec 8351, 8361, Neuman KH 420 !!!

Peace.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

Dam, the IMD distortion from erin is as he said the best obj

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

Hi

We may need to put our prejudices on pause (not easy , it is after all PS Audio ). I would reserve judgment until I hear these.
But in regard of their MSRP (about $10,000)
.. The competition is brutal and unforgiving with arguably better objective performance:
I'd rather get one of these
Passive: Kef R11 Meta, Revel F228Be,
Active : Genelec 8351, 8361, Neuman KH 420 !!!

Peace.

Ps audio has better IMD, distortion is very low and good compresion... the ultra very wide horizontal dispersion is just unique from this speaker too. Good bass also.

Seems very good for a small room to medium