Paul McGowan throws in the towel (Not really but it’s movement in the right direction)

[akamatsu]

Isn't the speaker designer who participates on here an engineer? @Chris Brunhaver ?

He claims to be, but his resume is rather lacking in any sort of engineering education or experience.

 

[DSJR]

Expensive electronics are a waste of money when relatively inexpensive stuff you can get today performs so well. As for measurements, how good does it have to be? A higher SINAD is evidence of better engineering, but it usually will not sound any different from something that measures 10 dB lower.

I appreciate that, being something of an audio pauper these days, BUT------- I have to say that many of you can comfortably afford more expensive products, well-made and finished, and pay a premium for them, so why not PS Audio if it turns out that future developments make for a superbly performing, reliable and well-designed and finished product

 

[kemmler3D]

As I said, I looked up one of their "engineers," and he isn't one. How many more of their "engineers" aren't engineers? So far, they are zero for two. That is two claimed engineers, zero real engineers. Paul Mc. once told me they employ about twenty engineers. I wonder if he was including the two fake engineers.

Sorry, my real point was that if they are using contractors / consultants, you could still truthfully claim to "employ" (in a looser sense) as many honest-to-god engineers as you want, but they would not show up as employees of PSAudio.

That said, I don't know that I approve of calling non-engineers "engineers", but in an era of (probably apocryphal) "waste management engineers" (janitors) who knows.

 

[allmanfan]

Absolutely... accusations there of incorrect measurements, "happens all the time". I'd like to see Paul prove that... no point making comments like this without hard data to back them up. Now blaming ASR for reduced sales... you must be joking Paul.

I watch further... he says some people should have their AP's taken off them, then makes this face;

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Then suggests they have taken 50 years, but now will get around to publishing measurements... better late then never I suppose.

ASR has pulled PS Audio into measurement submission... will be interesting to see if these measurements compare to others.


JSmith

listen first without measurements....all reviews should be done first without measurements

 

[AuricGoldfinger]

As I said, I looked up one of their "engineers," and he isn't one. How many more of their "engineers" aren't engineers? So far, they are zero for two. That is two claimed engineers, zero real engineers. Paul Mc. once told me they employ about twenty engineers. I wonder if he was including the two fake engineers.

How did you look him up? Did you check if he’s a graduate of an ABET accredited program, or registered with the National Society of Professional Engineers?

I don’t mean to be callous toward you, but there are channels to verify one is an accredited engineer.

 

[akamatsu]

How did you look him up? Did you check if he’s a graduate of an ABET accredited program, or registered with the National Society of Professional Engineers?

I don’t mean to be callous toward you, but there are channels to verify one is an accredited engineer.

Linkedin. I wouldn't bother with the Colorado Board of Engineers as Paul Mc. said none of his engineers are licensed.

 

[mhardy6647]

Absolutely... accusations there of incorrect measurements, "happens all the time". I'd like to see Paul prove that... no point making comments like this without hard data to back them up. Now blaming ASR for reduced sales... you must be joking Paul.

I watch further... he says some people should have their AP's taken off them, then makes this face;

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Then suggests they have taken 50 years, but now will get around to publishing measurements... better late then never I suppose.

ASR has pulled PS Audio into measurement submission... will be interesting to see if these measurements compare to others.


JSmith

Where have I seen that expression before?
Oh, I know.

Context (if one is curious):

Spoiler

 

[Koeitje]

Jesus, what a bunch negative Andys here. Guy is going to do something we all want, and he is being honest about why he is doing it and still people complain.

 

[voodooless]

what a bunch negative Andys here. Guy is going to do something we all want, and he is being honest about why he is doing it and still people complain.

I agree, but how can one possibly pass on an opportunity to bash PS audio

 

[ahofer]

Jesus, what a bunch negative Andys here. Guy is going to do something we all want, and he is being honest about why he is doing it and still people complain.

Yeah, but the number of baseless digs he's made about ASR is exculpatory! (that is, he did it first!!)

 

[amirm]

I don’t mean to be callous toward you, but there are channels to verify one is an accredited engineer.

Vast majority of electronic designers are NOT accredited. Many have degrees but some don't. There is no way to produce PS audio products without competent electronic designers. So let's not go there please.

 

[Ktacos]

I'd argue you don't really need any certs or formal education to be a competent speaker designer, everything one needs to learn is. Chris is one lucky dude, a dream job really for many including myself.

 

[Doodski]

I'd argue you don't really need any certs or formal education to be a competent speaker designer, everything one needs to learn is. Chris is one lucky dude, a dream job really for many including myself.

I wrapped up a 8 week Principles of Electron Flow study of about 1500 pages including labs. So a 1200 page hardcover textbook and a lab book too. After that I was fluent in crossover design with passive parts. Can't say I remember everything today though because I don't use those skills. So 8 weeks full time study with evenings and weekends for studying too. A comprehensive view. For active crossovers theory/study one needs to study something along the lines of the Fundamentals of Semiconductors Devices and so that is 2 more months of full time study days and nights and weekends.

 

[SIY]

Did you check if he’s a graduate of an ABET accredited program, or registered with the National Society of Professional Engineers?

The PE thing is useless in this context. IMO, it's a grift, but the only time you need to pony up is if you're involved in certain civil projects.

I'm not big on equating competent engineering with credentials, but of course I have a horse in that race having run several engineering departments and taught engineering courses without ever having spent even a minute in an engineering classroom or course.

 

[Timcognito]

The PE thing is useless in this context. IMO, it's a grift, but the only time you need to pony up is if you're involved in certain civil projects.

I'm not big on equating competent engineering with credentials, but of course I have a horse in that race having run several engineering departments and taught engineering courses without ever having spent even a minute in an engineering classroom or course.

I generally agree with this but to get a PE one needs a degree in an approved discipline from accredited institution and two 8hr proficiency examinations in one's discipline. Working in testing lab for 7 yrs my ME PE stamp was needed on quite a few documents. In this context it means very little. Further some the best designers and pros that understood the context for and how to design medical devices (most of my career) were technicians who understood engineering principals and what could and could not be constructed.

 

[DMill]

I hope Paul never goes away. Cause when he does and all manufacturers are transparent this site will be reduced to Swiss Army knives you own and I’d really miss the reviews. Congratulations to ASR for dragging even Paul’s stubborn ass into the 21st century.

 

[SIY]

I generally agree with this but to get a PE one needs a degree in an approved discipline from accredited institution and two 8hr proficiency examinations in one's discipline.

And, if memory serves a year (or two?) working for a PE. I thought it amusing that I had three PEs working for me and coached several others through the process so they could pass the exams, but if I wanted to get it myself, I was ineligible.

 

[DMill]

Regarding certification, I have absolutely nothing to offer in the engineering field. However, in marketing certifications are handed out to any willing to participate in a paid course with little to no criteria for earning one. So if you want to be a social media expert, Google, among others, offers a paid class and you can hang your framed certificate show others how impressive your knowledge of search engine optimization is. Most people I work with it’s just a “duh”.

 

[AuricGoldfinger]

Vast majority of electronic designers are NOT accredited. Many have degrees but some don't. There is no way to produce PS audio products without competent electronic designers. So let's not go there please.

Hi Amir,

Wasn’t arguring for or against, I was replying to a poster who stated Pauls engineers were not really engineers when he checked LinkedIn, in whatever context that was.

 

[mhardy6647]

I hope Paul never goes away. Cause when he does and all manufacturers are transparent this site will be reduced to Swiss Army knives you own and I’d really miss the reviews.

We'll always have Paris the "A Call for Humor" thread.

A Call For Humor!

It'd be a shame to be always so serious to the point where you get so heated you'd lose your cool. Share your findings of silly audiophile musings around the web or on the forums, so we can all join in on your suffering ;P

www.audiosciencereview.com

That's worth the price of admission* every time.

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