Paris Audio Video Show 2023

[jeffme]

That's fine, I'll take the risk.
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And, this is why I'm here. Opinions from still serious & objective-minded audiophiles! Thank you!!

Noted & corrected on the Sointuvas!

Thanks also for differentiating the Buchardt (& fixing my spelling!) / Dynaudio vs. Duetto - that's exactly the dynamic of performance differentials at similar price points. Not sure SF, B&W can continue their offerings at these price points, as consumer research goes up along with prices and firms like Dynaudio stepping up where they haven't. Those Focus 10s are sharp looking, like the Buchardts.

I've also added the Rialtos to my list on the "lower" end (aka, just above 2 Sonos Fives + Sub).

Really appreciate the additional perspective - merci!

 

[boXem]

That's fine, I'll take the risk.

Sointuva are passive. Devialet are not comparable, being marketed for a more mainstream audience. They extend very deep, but they don't sound right at all. LS50W2 are good, but they do not hit very low. Formation, I have no clue, I still need to give them a listen.

Now... the SF Duetto. As @boXem said, it was pleasant to see that the actual designer, who was there for the demo, really knew his stuff. Still, for 4k€, I wasn't that impressed (it's sounded alright, but not amazing). Thing is, at this MSRP Duettos are landing in a tough competition, with actually cheaper Buchardt A500s, that I consider superior, not to mention my actual speakers (A500s Signature Edition) that IMHO are just in another league. By the way, while the A500 SE is sold out, the new Buchardt A10 seems to perform mostly similar, but with less bass extension and SPL.

I would add the Dynaudio Focus 10s to the list, that were demoed at PAVS last year. These really impressed me. Sounded massive, filled the entire room, had smooth highs and very consistent low-end, considering the unique 5.5" woofer in such a small cabinet. Sure, it costs 1k€ more, but I'm sure you can negotiate for less. And, no, theses are not "just" Evoke 10 (that I'm also familiar with) with an internal amp. The active crossover/DSP is doing an amazing job.

In a lower price point, you also have the Cabasse Rialto, that pleased me both times I heard them. They cost about the same, or a bit pricier than the LS50W2, and they deserve consideration.

I will add
- that the SF Duetto are beautifully built, we spent some time just manipulating them. A very nice object, like all SF production.
- that the Cabasse Rialto are indeed quite good, better than higher priced Cabasse stuff.

 

[VintageFlanker]

- that the SF Duetto are beautifully built, we spent some time just manipulating them. A very nice object, like all SF production.

Indeed.

- that the Cabasse Rialto are indeed quite good, better than higher priced Cabasse stuff.

Perhaps what I preferred in that room finally was the cheapest ones, the Murano + Abyss (DSP Amp)...

 

[VintageFlanker]

Paris Audio Video Show 2023, un succès collaboratif à célébrer ensemble

They claim 17k visitors for this year (which, I assume, is cumulative for the four days, including Friday and Monday, that were reserved for professionals). If you ask me, I really felt like the place was less crowded than last year ("12k visitors")... But I went on Saturday instead of Sunday this time.

Report from French forum HCFR :

Reportage HCFR : le PAVS 2023 en profondeur - HCFR Forum & Magazine

1. Le contexte de l'Association HCFR et sommaire2. La Hi-fi au PAVS 20233. Home Cinema et l'Image au PAVS 20234. L'univers casque du PAVS 20225. Les vidéos du PAVS 20236. L'album photo du PAVS 20227. Le mot de la fin La Hi-fi au PAVS 2023 On ne peut pas le nier, la Hi-Fi tient un très gros...

www.homecinema-fr.com

Probably shot on professional day, considering the few people around.

 

[K0RnY]

Superb photos! As if we were there! Thanks so much for sharing, a real hard reporter's job, with all the post-prod work that goes with it!

For my part, I wasn't really impressed by the Magico S3s, especially considering their asking price.
I was much more impressed by the Sonus Faber Stradivari (not to mention the aesthetics, because Sonus is all about magnificent work).
My greatest discovery at the show, however, was Diptyque Audio's isodynamic panels, as I listened to their flagship Reference. A real sound bubble, and an absolutely impressive low-frequency response for panels (with no cabinet, unlike what you'd find on Martin Logan electrostatics, for example). A very interesting quality/size ratio (although the price is in line with the performance provided...).

 

[VintageFlanker]

My greatest discovery at the show, however, was Diptyque Audio's isodynamic panels, as I listened to their flagship Reference. A real sound bubble, and an absolutely impressive low-frequency response for panels (with no cabinet, unlike what you'd find on Martin Logan electrostatics, for example). A very interesting quality/size ratio (although the price is in line with the performance provided...).

Pretty sure it was the DP160 MkII instead:

Here are the Reference:

But, yeah these sounded great.

 

[K0RnY]

Pretty sure it was the DP160 MkII instead:
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Here are the Reference:
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But, yeah these sounded great.

Yeah, you're totally right ! It's even more interesting then, because it wasn't even their flagship! I'd love to hear what it would sound like then!

 

[computer-audiophile]

Pretty sure it was the DP160 MkII instead:
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Here are the Reference:
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But, yeah these sounded great.

This is a great design example. It's not in my price range, but I really like what I see in terms of form and function. Sometimes really beautiful and extravagant audio product designs come especially from France.

Incidentally, I've also heard some very good magnetostats from time to time since the 1970s.

 

[VintageFlanker]

Yeah, you're totally right ! It's even more interesting then, because it wasn't even their flagship! I'd love to hear what it would sound like then!

Also, these would only go down to "30Hz", not "22Hz".
For real... It felt deep.

 

[VintageFlanker]

@K0RnY

 

[VintageFlanker]

Get your free tickets for PAVS 2024 here :

Tickets : Paris Audio Video Show 2024

Tickets : Paris Audio Video Show 2024 - Billetweb

www.billetweb.fr

 

[Descartes]

Too bad I can’t be in Paris for this show!

 

[rirelien]

Is anyone going? I am interested although I know there will be a lot of snake oil…

 

[Ragnarsson]

I’ll be there, taking pictures as usual.

 

[Rja4000]

Désolé les gars, pas possible pour moi.

 

[VintageFlanker]

My greatest discovery at the show, however, was Diptyque Audio's isodynamic panels, as I listened to their flagship Reference. A real sound bubble, and an absolutely impressive low-frequency response for panels (with no cabinet, unlike what you'd find on Martin Logan electrostatics, for example). A very interesting quality/size ratio (although the price is in line with the performance provided...).

Just measured by @John Atkinson for Stereophile:

Diptyque Reference loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

Sidebar 3: Measurements I measured one of the Diptyque Reference loudspeakers in RvB's listening room, driving it with his Krell FPB 200c amplifier. I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system with a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to examine the speaker's behavior in the farfield and an Earthworks QTC-40 mike...

stereophile.com

 

[ubiq]

Aaaah
Thanx a lot for the link @VintageFlanker !
I indeed agree with the article. Not perfect speakers, but boy what a sense of space and realism. I personally have the DP107 model, and the advantage of it is I can tilt the panel to minimize the vertical directivity limitations and optimize it in regards of my listening distance.
See my post for more informations : https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ds-all-in-one-or-separate.30486/#post-1072752
I've finally set up an all new system, from scratch, based on the DP 107 speakers and a Boxem A 5519/N2 (@boXem). Bliss.

And if someone living in Paris, France, is interested by a listening session of the 107, he/she is welcome

Cheers

 

[rirelien]

And if someone living in Paris, France, is interested by a listening session of the 107, he/she is welcome

Tempting, because I actually don't know anyone interested in this here, other than my brother in law! And I've never heard panels.

I will bring the wine.

 

[ubiq]

Tempting, because I actually don't know anyone interested in this here, other than my brother in law! And I've never heard panels.

I will bring the wine.

Sure !

You can DM me to arrange that

 

[Ragnarsson]

Aaaah
Thanx a lot for the link @VintageFlanker !
I indeed agree with the article. Not perfect speakers, but boy what a sense of space and realism. I personally have the DP107 model, and the advantage of it is I can tilt the panel to minimize the vertical directivity limitations and optimize it in regards of my listening distance.
See my post for more informations : https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...ds-all-in-one-or-separate.30486/#post-1072752
I've finally set up an all new system, from scratch, based on the DP 107 speakers and a Boxem A 5519/N2 (@boXem). Bliss.

And if someone living in Paris, France, is interested by a listening session of the 107, he/she is welcome

Cheers

Dear ubiq

I'm interested, as twice I found listening at PAVS (2023 and 2024) not good, not due to the speakers but the boring sound tracks used that had no dynamic nor enabling judging them in terms of precision, balance and spatialisation. I understand also that as any open baffle loudspeaker the result is very dependant of the room and placement.
Anyway I've my own sound tracks selection that I tested on loudspeakers like Meyer Sound Blue Horn (in Studio as well as in PAVS 2024), TAD Pioneer 2402, ATC SCM150, TAD ME1 and many others, that I can bring.

I can also bring wine ;-)

PS: I'll be present at PAVS2025, from Friday evening to Monday at the end of the show. May be an opportunity to meet other forum members?
The 11th and 12th of October there will be another HiFi show in Paris, different from PAVS, located in the La Defense trade centre. PM me if you don't find the free tickets link (easy to find, search Salon Haute Fidelite 2025). I'll also be there, another opportunity to meet.