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New Sony ES 8K AV Receiver Line STR-AZ7000ES STR-AZ5000ES STR-AZ3000ES STR-AZ1000ES

The AVR (like most modern AVRs) doesn't have multichannel analogue in.

Plus even if it did, there could be no object based sound (eg Atmos) that way.
Darn it, for some reason I just assumed all the behemoth AVRs were still providing analog inputs. The heck else do you need all that real estate for.

The object based sound thing though... why would that be an issue? That should be set at the time it's decoded and sent along as analog channels for amplification shouldn't it?
 
The object based sound thing though... why would that be an issue? That should be set at the time it's decoded and sent along as analog channels for amplification shouldn't it?
The channels are not the same as the discrete 5.1, 7.1, etc. channels. They are enabled and disabled on an as needed basis and also based on the theater's installed speaker compliment.
 
The channels are not the same as the discrete 5.1, 7.1, etc. channels. They are enabled and disabled on an as needed basis and also based on the theater's installed speaker compliment.
Right... but at the end the signal is assigned to an analog channel and sent along for amplification. Again, why would having analog outs prevent this from working?
 
Right... but at the end the signal is assigned to an analog channel and sent along for amplification. Again, why would having analog outs prevent this from working?
I guess having 16 or more analog output channels would drive the cost up prohibitively... and I doubt there would be many consumers who would use the feature.
 
Right... but at the end the signal is assigned to an analog channel and sent along for amplification. Again, why would having analog outs prevent this from working?
FIrst - the processor needs to know the number and position of all the (arbitrary number of) speakers. TV's are not set up to do that, so they cant't decode atmos for speakers not directly controlled by them. Then you'd need an analogue channel for each speaker. Up to 12 for my Demon 3800 for example.

I'm not aware of any TV's that decode Atmos to multi channel PCM.
 
Unfortunately in Brazil they don't sell Sony receivers.

I see great reviews of the 7000ES model.
 
Does Sony plan to release a preamp processor with 360 reality in this ES series, no built in amplification in the future?
 
Does Sony plan to release a preamp processor with 360 reality in this ES series, no built in amplification in the future?

Unlikely. Sony hasn’t made a preamp in a very long time, and Yamaha is the same way. No one has measured the Sony line up yet, but it’s probably fine. The old STR-ZA5000ES wasn’t state of the art, but it’s 1 kHz SINAD was actually better than my Burr Brown generation Trinnov Altitude 32!



And my understanding is that the AZ line from Sony is better than the ZA previous generation.
 
Unlikely. Sony hasn’t made a preamp in a very long time, and Yamaha is the same way. No one has measured the Sony line up yet, but it’s probably fine. The old STR-ZA5000ES wasn’t state of the art, but it’s 1 kHz SINAD was actually better than my Burr Brown generation Trinnov Altitude 32!



And my understanding is that the AZ line from Sony is better than the ZA previous generation.

I have a Yamaha CX-A5200, which is not very old, released in 2021. I can't hear the difference between 90 sinad and 120 sinad. So, i go for things like 360 reality which seems to provide a very entertaining type of soundfield and other useful feature packed things that generally come with pre pros instead.

Some 1/2 trick pony dac with 190 sinad that may top the charts with pink panther golfing on the clouds means nothing to me, because i will never hear the difference between 90 sinad and 190 sinad.

I am curious about the Storm audio processor which has built in function for implementing active crossovers on speakers, but, seems to be a bit rich for my wallet. Maybe, Yamaha will release something with that for a working man's purse in the future, one can hope.
 
I have a Yamaha CX-A5200, which is not very old, released in 2021. I can't hear the difference between 90 sinad and 120 sinad. So, i go for things like 360 reality which seems to provide a very entertaining type of soundfield and other useful feature packed things that generally come with pre pros instead.

100% agree about SINAD. I had a Sony STR-ZA5000ES. Still great, but gave it to my parents since their AVR died. For ARC, HDMI-CEC, it’s bulletproof reliable.

I then moved to the CX-A5100 which is very similar to your A5200. No eARC, no automatic CinemaDSP, but it does have Dolby Pro Logic II.

I then moved to the Monolith HTP-1 and then stumbled upon the endgame Trinnov Altitude 32 when an price too good to pass came up.

If I knew Sony was releasing the AZ series, I may not have gotten the Monolith HTP-1. I used the Sony with both internal and external amps and found it superb. The AZ line should be even better with the 360 processing.
 
Unlikely. Sony hasn’t made a preamp in a very long time, and Yamaha is the same way. No one has measured the Sony line up yet, but it’s probably fine. The old STR-ZA5000ES wasn’t state of the art, but it’s 1 kHz SINAD was actually better than my Burr Brown generation Trinnov Altitude 32!



And my understanding is that the AZ line from Sony is better than the ZA previous generation.
Matthew Poes had a video measuring the AZ7000ES, but I think he took it down. The FFT had a ton of crap >1 kHz. One of the worst results I've seen. Owners report significant hiss when engaging their upmixing mode, possibly amplifying/re-digitizing the noise inherent in the DAC section. It's worth noting that according to Sony's own spec sheet, it's rated at 0.9% THD+N at 1 kHz.
 
Matthew Poes had a video measuring the AZ7000ES, but I think he took it down. The FFT had a ton of crap >1 kHz. One of the worst results I've seen. Owners report significant hiss when engaging their upmixing mode, possibly amplifying/re-digitizing the noise inherent in the DAC section. It's worth noting that according to Sony's own spec sheet, it's rated at 0.9% THD+N at 1 kHz.
I found the review. Not as bad as I thought, but not spectacular either: 82.5 dB SINAD.

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The full review:
 
I found the review. Not as bad as I thought, but not spectacular either: 82.5 dB SINAD.

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The full review:


But my understanding is that this is the measurement through the amp? Not the preamp? I didn’t re-watch the video, but did see it a while back.
 
But my understanding is that this is the measurement through the amp? Not the preamp? I didn’t re-watch the video, but did see it a while back.
Looks like the pre-amp measurements are at 14:00. Pure direct looks clean, but running through the DAC/ADC adds a bunch of out-of-band noise over 22ish kHz. Pure direct ON (Left), OFF (Right):

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