Master Thread: Are measurements Everything or Nothing?

[NattyLumpkins]

Thanks yes that's it! and I agree with you.

The loudness compensation was why ages ago I was a big fan of Yamaha audio equipment.

 

[Plcamp]

Important alert!

After 365 pages, I have decided that YES, measurements are, in fact, everything.

Whew!

 

[RayDunzl]

I wanted to ask, it looks like you have a setup for room equalization. How do you like the Behringer for doing that? I wanted to do the same thing with REW.

The Behringer was a cheap analog to digital converter, replaced now with a Focusrite. It was/is not part of room correction.

Correction is in the digital domain with a miniDSP OpenDRC-DI and, if automated, AcourateDRC to create the filters.

 

[Count Dacula]

I'm not sure how much this would contribute to the discussion but a flat eq is not how we hear. In mixing the curve of human frequency sensitivity has a name I just can't remember it.

Hearing · Physics

Right, my EE friend who actually worked at Bell Labs, also owned a nightclub where I had done a semi-amatauer sound install. He had a "tech" come in to "do the DEW" or whatever it was called before DSP. They did it in an echo-y empty room, and my friend was snarky about it with me....claiming that I could not eq it as well as they could.

I bit my tongue and waited until the room was filled with screaming meatsacks, it sounded weak and flat. No highs, no lows...but it was a nice flat EQ earlier in the day! Even the DJs complained. I fixed it up the next day, and it was never mentioned again. In my mind, it wasn't possible to have too much sparkly highs, nor too much organ-liquifying bass. A strict EE tech didn't understand this by being told about it, he had to be shown.

 

[ahofer]

Right, my EE friend who actually worked at Bell Labs, also owned a nightclub where I had done a semi-amatauer sound install. He had a "tech" come in to "do the DEW" or whatever it was called before DSP. They did it in an echo-y empty room, and my friend was snarky about it with me....claiming that I could not eq it as well as they could.

I bit my tongue and waited until the room was filled with screaming meatsacks, it sounded weak and flat. No highs, no lows...but it was a nice flat EQ earlier in the day! Even the DJs complained. I fixed it up the next day, and it was never mentioned again. In my mind, it wasn't possible to have too much sparkly highs, nor too much organ-liquifying bass. A strict EE tech didn't understand this by being told about it, he had to be shown.

Can you sell the screaming meatsacks as room treatment?

 

[Blumlein 88]

Can you sell the screaming meatsacks as room treatment?

Only once you have parsed out and selected the highest quality meatsacks. Probably damned expensive room treatment.

 

[fpitas]

The Screaming Meatsacks? I think I saw them at the 9:30 club years ago.

/

 

[thecheapseats]

Only once you have parsed out and selected the highest quality meatsacks. Probably damned expensive room treatment.

meatsack diffusion... it's a 'thing'...

 

[VQR]

meatsack diffusion... it's a 'thing'...

I source my meatsacks from the refuse of lipo reductuon.

 

[thecheapseats]

I source my meatsacks from the refuse of lipo reductuon.

shrewd...

 

[fpitas]

That reminds me of something

Mathematics can't explain the difference a high-end power cord makes?

 

[thecheapseats]

Mathematics can't explain the difference a high-end power cord makes?

diff = appx $500 on the low end . even more if you shop and believe fairy tales...

 

[Rja4000]

Plus, we can measure using any signal at all, including music - the shape is irrelevant as long as it covers the frequency range of interest.

Which is, by the way, how Smaart is working.

 

[Rja4000]

Grolsch 330ml bottle. Very low "distortion". Not often used as a musical instrument. Not much character there.

I love this one !
Thanks !

 

[Rja4000]

Can you sell the screaming meatsacks as room treatment?

Don't forget to fill them with some beer.
Very important.
Even the brand makes an audible difference, I've been told.

 

[pkane]

Which is, by the way, how Smaart is working.

And DeltaWave, albeit from recorded audio rather than from a mic.

 

[VQR]

shrewd...

It keeps my wallet fat and my walls pillowed

 

[Count Dacula]

Important alert!

After 365 pages, I have decided that YES, measurements are, in fact, everything.

Whew!

But not all measurements are as important as other ones.

 

[Count Dacula]

Can you sell the screaming meatsacks as room treatment?

I'm thinking that stacked firewood might be the best, in a studio setting perhaps.

 

[ahofer]

I recently came across this and thought I’d seen a lot of it in this thread:

SCHOPENHAUER'S 38 STRATAGEMS, OR 38 WAYS TO WIN AN ARGUMENT