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Man in the ear - possible speaker upgrade?

You misunderstood
Europe is one thing, the European Union is quite another, don't confuse them.
Keith is a very good guy and I have a lot of respect for him but taking a trip to the UK where there is the pound and not the euro, where there is customs and you need a passport, where if you buy something and then bring it to the European Union you have to pay all the duties it makes no sense.
The poster lives in Germany where he can easily listen to any product. :)
 
Sadly I agree, the utter stupidity of our situation, leaves one without words.
Keith
 
I easily purchased online from England, many American and Chinese companies had warehouses in the UK, it was comfortable, it was practical, it was convenient.
I sincerely feel sorry for both the English people who voted no and for those who voted yes but didn't know what they were voting for.
End of the OT.
 
Europe is one thing, the European Union is quite another, don't confuse them.
Keith is a very good guy and I have a lot of respect for him but taking a trip to the UK where there is the pound and not the euro, where there is customs and you need a passport, where if you buy something and then bring it to the European Union you have to pay all the duties it makes no sense.
The poster lives in Germany where he can easily listen to any product. :)
I wasn’t confusing the two at all … many in the US, since the creation of the EU, in fact refer to Europe as EU as a generality. And actually, many of my European work colleagues do the very same thing. But I do understand your point that for those in Europe there is certainly a distinction. Sorry if I hit any kind of a sore spot there, wasn’t my intent
 
No sore point, it's you and your friends who continue to confuse a continent (Europe) with a group of European states (27, Russia is also in Europe, not in the European Union) which even have a parliament (parliament voted by citizens residing in the Union).
If someone talks to me about North America I don't confuse it with the United States.
Take care, I'll move on.
Buon pomeriggio :)
 
You're in Germany, so that puts the GGNTKT M1's on the menu. If I were you, though, given that you like the sound of the Metas without subs, you should perhaps consider a DSP program like DLBC to see if you can better integrate your subs with the Metas.

As for other speakers to consider, I didn't see a mention of Neumann KH 150's which I think would be right up your alley. Also Genelec Ones, maybe 8351's would be a great choice for about the same price as the GGNTKT's.
I think my subs are good enough integrated. I'm one of the guys, who absolutely don't like dirac and what it does with the sound. I already heard the M1 (page 1). I tried Genelec the ones some years ago and then bought the KEF LS50 meta.
 
So, a short report. I always give myself a few days to do this because I am aware that a loudspeaker sounds different depending on the mood & day and I prefer to get an impression over time. Brief euphoria one day can quickly give way to sobering disappointment the next day.

Epos ES14n, developed by Mr. Fink. Anyone who personally takes part in the discussions at ASR and justifies and "defends" their development and then develops their loudspeakers themselves with a Kippel NFS - Somebody like that already has a thousand stones in my board and I have a certain amount of confidence in those products, some basic trust. So I had a kind of expectation.

Because unfortunately these were not available in any stores, I had to take the complicated route and order them. I called an dealer and asked whether they had an exhibitor so that if I would return the item, the dealer would not have to deduct B-stock discounts. They had them (unfortunately in this walnut veneer...), they gave me a good price, I transferred them and about a week later they were there. Stands were sent along, but they were so heavy that I didn't feel like unpacking and setting them up - so bedside tables had to be used. Luckily they are at the right height.

To the speaker: I like the small chubbys and over the days I've grown a little more fond of them every day - they really sound great. Very natural and authentic, sound "real", tuned a little warmer (see drop in the highs https://www.spinorama.org/speakers/Epos ... endor.html). I particularly noticed guitar strums that came across with a certain physicality and where I felt like I could hear the metal of the string haha :cool: . Hope that's enough hi-fi prose.

Yes, overall for me they are definitely (quite clearly) better than my little LS50 meta. They sound bigger and have more emphasis. As far as spatial imaging is concerned, they are perhaps equal to, if not inferior, to the KEFs - the KEFs are simply great at that and I don't trust myself to make a final judgment here. No, I probably won't keep them (yet). On the one hand, the walnut veneer doesn't fit in my living room (judge yourself with the pictures below), so it would have to be the white version. On the other hand, I would probably like to, at least, hear the Sourcepoint 8 in my room again. She did something to me too. Just like the (ugly) JBL horns. And then there are the brand new Ascilab, whose measurements also look state of the art (also Kippel NFS) at apparently unbeatable prices. One after the other, but for now the Epos remain in the winning team.

That you know what I´m talking about and in which environment these conclusions were made, attached some pictures.

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Interesting, that nobody has to say something. The Epos are going back, shipping for that costs me 95€... Just ordered the Sourcepoint 8, will see.
 
You haven't considered the KEF R3 Meta? That should be a clear step up from the LS50. Revel M106 or even the M126BE2 might also be options. But of course they won't beat speakers with bigger woofers.
 
Today I had another hour with the little JBLs (jbl 4329p) in the JBL/Harman studio. I really liked the acoustic room treatment.

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These things rock without end and are really fun - the dynamics, attack and speed, I was sitting on the couch bouncing the whole time and constantly wanted to jump up and dance :cool: What they deliver with compressed music is just great - I would say that's the big strength: music that has been compressed is really fun and sounds good. And unfortunately there is a lot of good music, that has been compressed to death during mastering. You can hear it really well with the horns. I don't know why that is - but it's clear. So fun factor 10/10.

Then I played high-quality recordings - and they don't come close to the quality of other speakers. As far as stage width, depth and spatiality are concerned, no, that's not their thing. The singer is way out in front and the band is somehow in front too. The problem: I actually want both. Dynamics, attack and fun, but at the same time the high-fidelity pleasure. Tonality, on the other hand, is wonderful, so I can't perceive the typical horn coloration - this is also shown by the pretty good spinora measurements.

I then said to my better half: I can't put two pairs of speakers in there - the dealer had to smile and said he had the same thing at home. The JBLs in the living room and Genelecs in the other room... It's good that I was able to hear them again, but somehow that leaves me feeling a bit desperate.
 
I also ended up with such a double setup, the Bose 901/AMTs in the living/dining room and the Genelec 8351B in the music room. Lots of fun being able to choose.
 
Wont say what I paid for my pair of 8Cs but their prices have gone up substantially, and they also have removed a big portion of their dealer network, which makes it harder to get a discount. I think they might be worth it at $10K or less, but 50% over that is quite the premium. The AsciLab are going to really be amazing contenders that utilize Klippel and do most of what all of the competitors in this thread do at 1/3 the price. Even at the 8C price point I'd love to try out the Neumann 420.
Hi,

We have actually brought in more dealers to our dealer network, and we are always interested in adding more dealers where it make sense. :)

Unfortunate, there are factors that makes consumer products in all domains more expensive. This is something we can't control.

Jannis Dossis,
Head of Sales & Marketing
 
One more word re Sanders 10e. They're beamy as all get out, but when your ears are in the right sweet spot you will find yourself in the thrall of one of the greatest speaker systems out there. Many electrostatic hybrids are un-listenable because of the time incoherences between the fast mid/high panel and slow cone woofer, but the Sanders' active crossover / DSP unit aligns them beautifully and renders a wonderfully cohesive image. 10e are marvelous as long as you don't move your head.

Roger Sanders indicated that he intentionally designed them that way, therefore it's a feature and not a bug :)
 
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