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Thank you, I am very much looking forward to hearing your coming further audition impression on NS-1000 or NS1000M in the near future!
As far as your photo of NS-1000M in your above post, it would be quite unacceptable to place NS-1000M directly on the floor, I believe.
And the room acoustic mode would be also critical factor, sometimes much more critical than SP system itself.
Since you are now very much interested in NS-1000 and/or NS-1000M, I highly recommend you to visit @Igor Kirkwood's thread entitled "Sound engineer's monitoring and HiFi + HT system with active Yamaha NS-1000x, multi-subs and FIR QSys processor in a particular and treated room" where he uses NS-1000x in fully active configuration in his wonderful listening room.
@Igor Kirkwood also kindly participated on my thread;
- Invaluable discussion with Igor Kirkwood who is using Yamaha NS-1000X in his multichannel rig: #179-#189
And he kindly wrote on my thread (#779) "Outside your listening room, however perfect it may be, will add a large number of defects, to the point that some acousticians admit that the listening room represents more than 50% of the quality of stereo listening."
@gene_stl is another heavy user of NS-1000M and its drivers especially the "famous" Beryllium dome midrange.
I expect @gene_stl will give some comment and/or advice to you; I assume he has been following our recent discussion on my project thread and on this thread...
BTW, if you would have chance to be in Japan in the near future, I would like to invite you to my listening room for enjoyable audio listening session and discussion!
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No, the XO Fq of intact NS-1000 and NS-1000M are 500 Hz and 6 kHz by passive LC network in BW 2nd configuration (diagram and photo of intact passive network can be found ref. here) (+large attenuators for midrange and tweeter), as I repeatedly pointed.
Please refer to my post here and here for directivity, SPL and XO of NS-1000, NS-1000M NS-1000x and NS-2000 as well as YST-SW1000.
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The NS-1000M in your photo looks still in good shape; they have been carefully kept for long years, I believe.
If I were you, I might immediately have purchased them as my SP-drivers backup spare-parts purposes after intensive observation and test on the Be-midranges.
I have not mentioned there, however, at that time I have been setting the attenuator for midrange Be-driver in around -5 dB position.
In any way, as I shared recently here #931 (the latest system setup), I have already fully eliminated the passive LC-network and attenuators (so, now I have almost no interest on them!) making my NS-1000 (not NS-1000M) in fully active configuration, and my present DSP XO curves and total air sound Fq-SPL measured at my listening position are;
If I were you, I might immediately have purchased them as my SP-drivers backup spare-parts purposes after intensive observation and test on the Be-midranges.
LoL, and thank you for your visit to my very early post #11 (dated April10, 2020) sharing the each of the SPL diagrams measured at my listening position i.e. ca. 3.4 m away from the SP (still in intact passive setup) on which you did your XO analysis. I had/have odd asymmetrical furniture positioning and the measurement was done in rather low gain resulting so many small up-down reflecting room modes. Your approximate on-chart analysis looks right, I assume.
I have not mentioned there, however, at that time I have been setting the attenuator for midrange Be-driver in around -5 dB position.
In any way, as I shared recently here #931 (the latest system setup), I have already fully eliminated the passive LC-network and attenuators (so, now I have almost no interest on them!) making my NS-1000 (not NS-1000M) in fully active configuration, and my present DSP XO curves and total air sound Fq-SPL measured at my listening position are;
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Lost in Translation?
Imagining that certain conversations in this community may go berserk only because some »automated translation« is used makes me shiver ...
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Please write in English...
Planned Desktop setup - Wiim Pro is being added. It has been ordered and is arriving tomorrow. The Wiim Pro will be used to drive the Sub8 and MTM whist i'm using my work laptop and my own PC and EX5 are asleep. The Sub8 sums the RCA and TRS inputs, so no switching is required as long as I only use one of the inputs at a time. I'm hoping to apply the same PEQ corrections I use with eAPO in Windows on the Wiim Pro...
Updated: Wiim Pro arrived today and is sitting on top of the Sub8. Quite impressed with it so far, although having it connected to the Sub8 has raised the noise floor a tiny amount. I also had to set the RCA output to 200mVrms to give me a reasonable volume adjustment range. It will be interesting to compare the Wiim Pros own room correction with what I measure and calculate on my PC.
Updated: Wiim Pro arrived today and is sitting on top of the Sub8. Quite impressed with it so far, although having it connected to the Sub8 has raised the noise floor a tiny amount. I also had to set the RCA output to 200mVrms to give me a reasonable volume adjustment range. It will be interesting to compare the Wiim Pros own room correction with what I measure and calculate on my PC.
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Why not plug the WiiM Pro into the Topping DAC?
Yes, that would be another option. For me, it's all about ease of use...
The EX5 is set to turn off automatically when there is no input. As the input is always USB, it turns off when my PC goes to sleep. If I plugged the Wiim into the EX5, i'd have to change the input to co-ax/optical to listen to it and probably turn the input back to USB to get the EX5 to go to sleep after using it (I suspect the Wiim would keep the EX5 powered on all the time, although I haven't tested this).
TBH, I bought the Wiim because it was on sale and i'd wanted to play with one for a while. It may not stay in my desktop setup as I can probably find a better use for it elsewhere in the house.
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Power sequencing and dependence like this can ruin the convenience and elegance of systems like ours that use several devices. My system diagram above doesn't show power. Seven devices turn on and off from a big ugly power strip on the floor. Perhaps we could discuss our problems and solutions on powering our complex audio systems.
It's a useful device and as you see we have one but I wouldn't want to use its built in DAC.
The RF3 is also connected to my Wi-Fi network and is registered with Amazon Alexa, so I can say "Alexa, turn on/off monitors" in addition to using the RF switch.
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I have been, I am, and I will be, in extreme other side of power-on/shutdown in my multichannel multi-SP-driver multi-amplifier fully active audio system; I do not like any triggered power-on of all the audio gears at once.
Mainly because of safety concerns for not giving any damage to my gem/treasure SP drivers, I dare to perform my routine "startup/ignition sequences" and "shutdown sequences" in my audio system I shared in the very first post on this thread. Please allow me sharing two diagrams again here.
In the end portion of my rather lengthy post #931 on my project thread, I discussed and shared my "startup/ignition sequences" and "shutdown sequences" as follows under the spoiler cover;
The latest "startup/ignition sequences" and "shutdown sequences" as of June 26, 2024
Having the latest system configuration as of June 26 in 2024 shared above, I also would like to update my post #776 dated August 7 2023 on “Startup/Ignition Sequences” and “Shutdown Sequencies”.
A few of my dear ASR friends have contacted me asking about standard startup/ignition sequences and shutdown sequences in the multichannel multi-amplifier system together with JRiver MC (or Roon) and software crossover EKIO running on Windows 11 PC.
They were a little bit concerned about the maximum protection of speaker drivers from possible unexpected accidental pop damage, and I fully understand their worries even though I have the protection capacitors for midrange Beryllium-dome-squawkers (MDs), Beryllium-dome-tweeters (TWs) and metal-horn-super-tweeters (STs).
Although I daily perform these very familiar (to me) sequences almost unconsciously, I believe it would be worthwhile sharing the sequences with all of you visiting this thread.
Standard "Startup/Ignition Sequences":
01. Wake-up the AC Circuit Breaker (100V/15A if it has been shut-down)
02. Power-on the root switch of 24-port AC power strip (series of four 6-port strips)
______This automatically wakes up DIY-12-VU-Meter-Array, KORG DS-CAC-10, BEHRINGER DS2800
03. Power-on YAMAHA A-S3000 after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
04. Power-on ACCUPHASE E-460 after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
05. Power-on SONY TA-A1ES after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
06. Power-on YAMAHA A-S301 after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
07. Power-on L&R sub-woofers YAMAHA YST-SW1000 by remote controller (preset volume 13:00 O'clock, 1 p.m.)
08. Power-on OKTO DAC8PRO; make sure the volume (master gain) is less than -75 dB
09. Power-on Windows 11 Pro PC
10. Check & confirm wake-up and running of VB-AUDIO MATRIX at taskbar
11. Check & confirm wake-up and ready of DIYINHK ASIO at taskbar
12. Check & confirm all the Window's sound I/O (KERNEL, WASAPI, WMD, Mic, etc.) are muted-off
13. Launch DSP EKIO having default preset configuration
14. Launch JRiver MC (or Roon); make sure the master volume is at about 5 % (-77.5 dB)
15. Properly layout VB-AUDIO MATRIX, its Routing Grid view, JRiver MC32 and EKIO’s I/O Panel on PC monitor screen so that all the peak bar-meters can be seen/monitored (as shown in Fig.15)
16. Start playing JRiver e.g. the 6th track of my music sampler/reference playlist (piano solo)
17. Slightly volume-up JRiver to around 10 % (-55.0 dB); check the JRiver's small VU-EQ meter is properly dancing
18. Start “playing” EKIO
19. Check and confirm that all the EKIO's I/O VU meter bars and all the VB-AUDIO MATRIX Routing Grid VU meter bars are properly moving in exceptionally low gain
20. Volume-up A-S3000 to 11:55 o'clock (-18 dB)
21. Volume-up E-460 to -19.0 dB
22. Volume-up TA-A1ES to -17.0 dB
23. Volume-up A-S301 to 09:45 o'clock (ca. -19 dB)
24. Volume-up DAC8PRO to -4 dB; check to properly hear the sound in small volume
25. Carefully and slowly volume-up JRiver MC (as master volume) to usual listening volume using mouse wheel or COOIDEA USB volume controller
Standard "Shutdown Sequences":
01. Stop playing JRiver MC
02. Volume-down the "Master Volume" of JRiver MC to less than 5% (-77.5 dB)
03. Stop playing DSP EKIO
04. Volume-down OKTO DAC8PRO to -99 dB
05. Volume-down YAMAHA A-S301 to -infinity dB (no sound)
06. Volume-down SONY TA-A1ES to -infinity dB (no sound)
07. Volume-down ACCUPHASE E-460 to -infinity dB (no sound)
08. Volume-down YAMAHA A-S3000 to -infinity dB (no sound)
09. Power-off A-S301
10. Power-off TA-A1ES
11. Power-off E-460
12. Power-off A-S3000
13. Power-off L and R active sub-woofers YAMAHA YST-SW1000 by remote controller
14. Exit/Shutdown JRiver MC
15. Exit/Shutdown EKIO
16. Shutdown VB-AUDIO MATRIX
17. Shutdown Windows 11 Pro PC
18. Soft-shutdown (Mute-off) OKTO DAC8PRO by remote controller
19. Switch-off the root switch of 24-port AC power strip (series of four 6-port strips)
______This automatically shutdowns DIY-12-VU-Meter-Array, KORG DS-CAC-10, BEHRINGER DS2800
20. Down the AC Circuit Breaker (100V/15 A, if needed for prolonged shutdown; longer than a week or so)
Having the latest system configuration as of June 26 in 2024 shared above, I also would like to update my post #776 dated August 7 2023 on “Startup/Ignition Sequences” and “Shutdown Sequencies”.
A few of my dear ASR friends have contacted me asking about standard startup/ignition sequences and shutdown sequences in the multichannel multi-amplifier system together with JRiver MC (or Roon) and software crossover EKIO running on Windows 11 PC.
They were a little bit concerned about the maximum protection of speaker drivers from possible unexpected accidental pop damage, and I fully understand their worries even though I have the protection capacitors for midrange Beryllium-dome-squawkers (MDs), Beryllium-dome-tweeters (TWs) and metal-horn-super-tweeters (STs).
Although I daily perform these very familiar (to me) sequences almost unconsciously, I believe it would be worthwhile sharing the sequences with all of you visiting this thread.
Standard "Startup/Ignition Sequences":
01. Wake-up the AC Circuit Breaker (100V/15A if it has been shut-down)
02. Power-on the root switch of 24-port AC power strip (series of four 6-port strips)
______This automatically wakes up DIY-12-VU-Meter-Array, KORG DS-CAC-10, BEHRINGER DS2800
03. Power-on YAMAHA A-S3000 after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
04. Power-on ACCUPHASE E-460 after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
05. Power-on SONY TA-A1ES after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
06. Power-on YAMAHA A-S301 after making sure the volume is at -infinity dB (no sound)
07. Power-on L&R sub-woofers YAMAHA YST-SW1000 by remote controller (preset volume 13:00 O'clock, 1 p.m.)
08. Power-on OKTO DAC8PRO; make sure the volume (master gain) is less than -75 dB
09. Power-on Windows 11 Pro PC
10. Check & confirm wake-up and running of VB-AUDIO MATRIX at taskbar
11. Check & confirm wake-up and ready of DIYINHK ASIO at taskbar
12. Check & confirm all the Window's sound I/O (KERNEL, WASAPI, WMD, Mic, etc.) are muted-off
13. Launch DSP EKIO having default preset configuration
14. Launch JRiver MC (or Roon); make sure the master volume is at about 5 % (-77.5 dB)
15. Properly layout VB-AUDIO MATRIX, its Routing Grid view, JRiver MC32 and EKIO’s I/O Panel on PC monitor screen so that all the peak bar-meters can be seen/monitored (as shown in Fig.15)
16. Start playing JRiver e.g. the 6th track of my music sampler/reference playlist (piano solo)
17. Slightly volume-up JRiver to around 10 % (-55.0 dB); check the JRiver's small VU-EQ meter is properly dancing
18. Start “playing” EKIO
19. Check and confirm that all the EKIO's I/O VU meter bars and all the VB-AUDIO MATRIX Routing Grid VU meter bars are properly moving in exceptionally low gain
20. Volume-up A-S3000 to 11:55 o'clock (-18 dB)
21. Volume-up E-460 to -19.0 dB
22. Volume-up TA-A1ES to -17.0 dB
23. Volume-up A-S301 to 09:45 o'clock (ca. -19 dB)
24. Volume-up DAC8PRO to -4 dB; check to properly hear the sound in small volume
25. Carefully and slowly volume-up JRiver MC (as master volume) to usual listening volume using mouse wheel or COOIDEA USB volume controller
Standard "Shutdown Sequences":
01. Stop playing JRiver MC
02. Volume-down the "Master Volume" of JRiver MC to less than 5% (-77.5 dB)
03. Stop playing DSP EKIO
04. Volume-down OKTO DAC8PRO to -99 dB
05. Volume-down YAMAHA A-S301 to -infinity dB (no sound)
06. Volume-down SONY TA-A1ES to -infinity dB (no sound)
07. Volume-down ACCUPHASE E-460 to -infinity dB (no sound)
08. Volume-down YAMAHA A-S3000 to -infinity dB (no sound)
09. Power-off A-S301
10. Power-off TA-A1ES
11. Power-off E-460
12. Power-off A-S3000
13. Power-off L and R active sub-woofers YAMAHA YST-SW1000 by remote controller
14. Exit/Shutdown JRiver MC
15. Exit/Shutdown EKIO
16. Shutdown VB-AUDIO MATRIX
17. Shutdown Windows 11 Pro PC
18. Soft-shutdown (Mute-off) OKTO DAC8PRO by remote controller
19. Switch-off the root switch of 24-port AC power strip (series of four 6-port strips)
______This automatically shutdowns DIY-12-VU-Meter-Array, KORG DS-CAC-10, BEHRINGER DS2800
20. Down the AC Circuit Breaker (100V/15 A, if needed for prolonged shutdown; longer than a week or so)
I believe you can agree with me that triggered simultaneous startup/power-on with pre-fixed audible gain/volume levels should be definitely avoided at least in my multichannel multi-amplifier audio setup.
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You're making my point for me better than I could.
Ease of use by all the family and house guests is a very desirable ergonomic goal. Of the systems described in this thread I wonder how many are farther from it than yours.
I certainly do agree. And I don't know how to reconcile these goals except by building automation for your sequences. For now I can't decide if the master switch should be a basic IR remote control or a big old Frankenstein-style blade switch on the wall.I believe you can agree with me that triggered simultaneous startup/power-on with pre-fixed audible gain/volume levels should be definitely avoided at least in my multichannel multi-amplifier audio setup.
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And, also this my thread entitled "Apparent power consumption of whole audio system during daily audio listening sessions: how SDGs-friendly is it? (not the idle power, please.)" would be of your interest and reference.
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I have printed sheet (set in hard-clear-plastic cover) of the routine "startup/ignition sequences" and "shutdown sequences" for my family i.e. for my wife, son, and daughter, so that they can do it without any issue!
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My homestereo setup as of today.
Default everyday signal path: All sources run through Parasound P6 halo preamp followed by a EMOTIVA Basx A-300 to power the speakers.
Speakers are B&W 805.
Headphones are AKG K1000.
Multichoice signal path: All sources run through Parasound P6 halo preamp followed by:
1. EMOTIVA Basx A-300 poweramp - fed by Parasound RCA output
2. FOSI ZA3 class D amp - fed by Parasound XLR output
The XLR output of the Parasound pre is run through an IK audio ARC STUDIO room correction unit (that can be bypassed) and the XLR is then split into 2 signals.
One for the FOSI ZA3 class D amp and one into a patchbay for connecting active speakers if wanted/needed.
The RCA output is run directly to the EMOTIVA Basx A-300 poweramp.
Output from both power amps run through a FOSI LC30 Amp/Speaker switch - result: both power amps can feed both the B&W 805 speakers and the AKG K1000 headphones.
Rest is as follows
Sources:
TTs:
1. Thorens TD 1601 with ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 pick-up
2. Audio Technica AT-LP140XP Black with several different carts in AT-HS6 headshells.
Both TTs into this Riaa: Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3 B True Balanced.
CD: Marantz CD6007 coax into parasound
Tuner: Argon Stream 3 optical into parasound (FM, DAB, Internetradio, spotify)
TV optical ind i parasound
PC sound goes to USB input on the Parasound.
Default everyday signal path: All sources run through Parasound P6 halo preamp followed by a EMOTIVA Basx A-300 to power the speakers.
Speakers are B&W 805.
Headphones are AKG K1000.
Multichoice signal path: All sources run through Parasound P6 halo preamp followed by:
1. EMOTIVA Basx A-300 poweramp - fed by Parasound RCA output
2. FOSI ZA3 class D amp - fed by Parasound XLR output
The XLR output of the Parasound pre is run through an IK audio ARC STUDIO room correction unit (that can be bypassed) and the XLR is then split into 2 signals.
One for the FOSI ZA3 class D amp and one into a patchbay for connecting active speakers if wanted/needed.
The RCA output is run directly to the EMOTIVA Basx A-300 poweramp.
Output from both power amps run through a FOSI LC30 Amp/Speaker switch - result: both power amps can feed both the B&W 805 speakers and the AKG K1000 headphones.
Rest is as follows
Sources:
TTs:
1. Thorens TD 1601 with ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 pick-up
2. Audio Technica AT-LP140XP Black with several different carts in AT-HS6 headshells.
Both TTs into this Riaa: Pro-Ject Phono Box DS3 B True Balanced.
CD: Marantz CD6007 coax into parasound
Tuner: Argon Stream 3 optical into parasound (FM, DAB, Internetradio, spotify)
TV optical ind i parasound
PC sound goes to USB input on the Parasound.
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This is my one-button system. You press the silver button once and the rpi5 starts, the Dac is on and after a short time the amplifiers are switched on.
To exit, press the button twice. First the amplifiers are disconnected from the power supply via the relay and then the rpi5 is shut down and the dac is switched off.
To exit, press the button twice. First the amplifiers are disconnected from the power supply via the relay and then the rpi5 is shut down and the dac is switched off.
