I did not have the time to remesure R3s with EQ. I ended up my listening tests with this profile on my ADI-2 DAC.Have you experimented with EQ by chance?
Anyway, I didn't manage to like the R3 whatever the tricks I've tried.
I did not have the time to remesure R3s with EQ. I ended up my listening tests with this profile on my ADI-2 DAC.Have you experimented with EQ by chance?
No, I wasn’t talking about the KEF R3. I was talking about the Genelec 8351B vs Revel Salon2, and speaker preference in general.
Yeah maybe it is something else, I don't know. Wide horizontal directivity does seem to explain a lot, though, in my experience. Beyond that, I don't really know what else it would be.
Sorry, you were responding to @fredoamigo, who clearly was talking about R3s.No, I wasn’t talking about the KEF R3. I was talking about the Genelec 8351B vs Revel Salon2, and speaker preference in general.
I would second this... But Am I missing something, or F208 costs 2,5X more than R3?! I would love to have such a flexible budget!My two cents, your love the Revel F36, which are great speakers, move up the line if you want to upgrade, F208.
That’s not what I read, so it’s not to clearly so. I saw a statement being made generally about preference scores (hence the statistics). My response uses examples to continue the general point, in any case.Sorry, you were responding to @fredoamigo, who clearly was talking about R3s.
Yeah a F208 would be a big leap up. I think the suggestion was just because the OP already has towers and so the F208 is a clear upgrade in that sense.I would second this... But Am I missing something, or F208 costs 2,5X more than R3?! I would love to have such a flexible budget!
Yeah a F208 would be a big leap up. I think the suggestion was just because the OP already has towers and so the F208 is a clear upgrade in that sense.
You can get a pair of F206’s close to the price of an R3 though, here in the US at least. Might cost a little bit more than a new R3 to get a new F206, but discounted they’d come closer than you might think.
Most TV/movies available for streaming online don't even have surround playback, much of the time.
Speaking of surround, it is quite sad that it seems virtually impossible to find any surround audio processor / AVR with good DSP, that has either (1) DAC outputs that do not perform abysmally, or (2) digital outputs for all channels so we can use provably good DACs.
This is true in a basic sense but when you start from first principles, what you can and can not perceive, and the very limited performance, in terms of distortion, of the loudspeakers they will be used with, it ceases to be a real limitation.Speaking of surround, it is quite sad that it seems virtually, impossible to find any surround audio processor / AVR with good DSP, that has either (1) DAC outputs that do not perform abysmally, or (2) digital outputs for all channels so we can use provably good DACs
I agree with this 100%. Adding a 2nd sub, placed properly with good eq(either manually with miniDSP HD or Audysey XT32/Sub Eq HT), will provide the greatest improvement in sound quality and at the lowest cost. I also agree with what some others have mentioned that a solid upgrade path, if desired once getting subs situated, would be F208. I'm thinking $3500 or so from a dealer, minus what you recoup from the F36.My two cents, your love the Revel F36, which are great speakers, move up the line if you want to upgrade, F208.
Looking at your system as a whole, your best bang for the buck upgrade may be adding a second SB2000. Your room is pretty large and a second will give you cleaner output at high levels and smooth out the response which gives tighter bass. You are at a really high value point with your system with great value for the dollar. Upgrading will improve the sound, but in smaller increments. You may want to think hard about being happy where you are.
I was talking about the Genelec 8351B vs Revel Salon2, and speaker preference in general.
I mentioned my Genelec vs Revel as an example, because if you look at the spins of those speakers and you believe that’s all that matters towards preference, then the Genelec should dominate. But in larger rooms I find it does not — the Revel Salon2 wins there.
I'm not aware of anyone else other than me, who owns both. I'm sure someone somewhere does, but if so I suppose they don't post here.Has anyone heard both extensively (or directly compared)?
The short answer is: No, the spin analysis does not capture everything that I'm hearing. But I'm not saying it's magical and not in the measurements at all: I believe more detailed measurements do capture this, and it would be relatively easy to improve CEA2034 to include the missing factors that matter here (e.g. a representation of horizontal and vertical beam width, presented independently and not just averaged together into a single directivity index).So what's the answer? Does spin analysis reliably predict that listeners will prefer the 8351B over the Salon2? or vice-versa? Has anyone heard both extensively (or directly compared)?