Kef blade 2 meta frequency response

[dogmamann]

I think there are lots of speakers which has similar PIR and cost less. None of them in real life sounds like the blade 2 metas

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

I think there are lots of speakers which has similar PIR and cost less. None of them in real life sounds like the blade 2 metas

Which ones?

 

[steve59]

The Blade 1 sounds so good that I can find no reason to upgrade to the meta's. I see the spins and appreciate how they can help determine in room sound or placement, but When I post direct threads questioning how to measure resolution and the responses I get all say resolution isn't measurable except for a lack of distortion. Just compare the salon 1 to the salon 2 and the biggest difference is soundstage, imaging, and resolution. With soundstage and imaging I get answers that those things are imagined and irrelevant because they confuse accuracy? When we get to the $10k price the things that we don't have measurements for become more important otherwise we'd all own the same 1 of half a dozen offerings.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

The Blade 1 sounds so good that I can find no reason to upgrade to the meta's. I see the spins and appreciate how they can help determine in room sound or placement, but When I post direct threads questioning how to measure resolution and the responses I get all say resolution isn't measurable except for a lack of distortion. Just compare the salon 1 to the salon 2 and the biggest difference is soundstage, imaging, and resolution. With soundstage and imaging I get answers that those things are imagined and irrelevant because they confuse accuracy? When we get to the $10k price the things that we don't have measurements for become more important otherwise we'd all own the same 1 of half a dozen offerings.

First gen blades are all good, just a big distortion at 500hz~
I remember the measurements from the german mag, unlike the new blades… these lack of distortion
First blades and metas blades are quite different, the first ones have a lot of time in the market

 

[steve59]

IDK what volumes the distortion becomes a distraction, but I don't hear it and for the investment required to make the change I would definitely need to be distracted by it.

 

[BrokenEnglishGuy]

IDK what volumes the distortion becomes a distraction, but I don't hear it and for the investment required to make the change I would definitely need to be distracted by it.

is quite high vs newer KEFs, in 14~ years kef improved a lot their drivers

Sorry for the tinny image but as you can see, the distortion from the new models are much better

 

[Tangband]

is quite high vs newer KEFs, in 14~ years kef improved a lot their drivers

Sorry for the tinny image but as you can see, the distortion from the new models are much better
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Yes, lower distortion in the newer models. Both old and new need some shelving in the deep bass to be fullrange if freestanding away from walls .

 

[thewas]

Yes, lower distortion in the newer models. Both old and new need some shelving in the deep bass to be fullrange if freestanding away from walls .

That cannot be generalised as it depends also on the amount of room gain.

Analytical Analysis - Room Gain

-Introduction- The term 'room gain' is often seen used when the topic of subwoofers and the low frequency sound reproduction comes up. As I see many explanations that are lacking or incorrect, I thought I might try and clear up the topic once and for all. In all rooms there are so-called...

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[Vacceo]

The Blade 1 sounds so good that I can find no reason to upgrade to the meta's. I see the spins and appreciate how they can help determine in room sound or placement, but When I post direct threads questioning how to measure resolution and the responses I get all say resolution isn't measurable except for a lack of distortion. Just compare the salon 1 to the salon 2 and the biggest difference is soundstage, imaging, and resolution. With soundstage and imaging I get answers that those things are imagined and irrelevant because they confuse accuracy? When we get to the $10k price the things that we don't have measurements for become more important otherwise we'd all own the same 1 of half a dozen offerings.

I probably saw it and interpreted it all wrong, but I think I saw, quite some time ago that a non Meta Blade can be "updated" after contacting KEF. Do not take this as a certainty because my memories of reading that are foggy.

 

[steve59]

The Blade cannot be updated to the blade meta, at least KEF hasn't offered a kit to date.

 

[Tangband]

That cannot be generalised as it depends also on the amount of room gain.

Analytical Analysis - Room Gain

-Introduction- The term 'room gain' is often seen used when the topic of subwoofers and the low frequency sound reproduction comes up. As I see many explanations that are lacking or incorrect, I thought I might try and clear up the topic once and for all. In all rooms there are so-called...

www.audiosciencereview.com

True, the undertuning of the reflex system might even be an advantage with smaller rooms with lots of roomgain.
But in a big room, an undertuning slightly above 30 Hz is not particularly low, and the frequency slope of the bass needs some boost if there is little roomgain.

This is not a really big problem, cause noone buys streamers nowadays without inbuilt PEQ ?

Edit: reading the Kef paper about blade 2 meta they say the speaker is perfect for smaller rooms.

https://assets.kef.com/documents/reference/KEF_Blade_Ref_Meta_Tech_Paper.pdf

 

[dogmamann]

The Blade cannot be updated to the blade meta, at least KEF hasn't offered a kit to date.

The crossover points are different, the woofers are improved. Cabin also has a different arrangement of absorbing materials. Theoretically it can be upgraded but it’s going to cost hell lot.

 

[Reddoc]

smaller rooms.

What would you call "smaller rooms"?
Money aside, and with appropriate and adequate subs to support good bass support across the listening positions, is there any reason to choose one over the other (Blade Meta 1 vs 2)?

 

[abdo123]

What would you call "smaller rooms"?
Money aside, and with appropriate and adequate subs to support good bass support across the listening positions, is there any reason to choose one over the other (Blade Meta 1 vs 2)?

The new paradigm in high budget home audio is the use of full range speakers and Dirac ART.

 

[Reddoc]

new paradigm

What is the best device to run Dirac ART?

 

[abdo123]

What is the best device to run Dirac ART?

Only Storm Audio support it (at this point in time)

Marrantz and Denon are rumoured to support it this April.

 

[Reddoc]

Only Storm Audio support it (at this point in time)

Marrantz and Denon are rumoured to support it this April.

Great, thanks very much.

 

[Tangband]

What would you call "smaller rooms"?
Money aside, and with appropriate and adequate subs to support good bass support across the listening positions, is there any reason to choose one over the other (Blade Meta 1 vs 2)?

I dont know what Kef means with smaller rooms with blade 2 meta ( they say so in the paper , not my words ) .

Maybe they mean european living rooms ?

No problem using subs below 30 Hz but why should you in such an expensive speaker ? its 8 bass drivers 6.5 inch big so there would be no problem making them fullrange in the first place, … except for maybe marketing reasons ( buy the bigger blade 1 or buy Kef subwoofers ) .

 

[Reddoc]

No problem using subs below 30 Hz but why should you in such an expensive speaker ?

I would use a pair of subs to even out the bass across a broader spread of listening areas

 

[Vacceo]

I dont know what Kef means with smaller rooms with blade 2 meta ( they say so in the paper , not my words ) .

Maybe they mean european living rooms ?

No problem using subs below 30 Hz but why should you in such an expensive speaker ? its 8 bass drivers 6.5 inch big so there would be no problem making them fullrange in the first place, … except for maybe marketing reasons ( buy the bigger blade 1 or buy Kef subwoofers )

Euro living rooms are around 20 to 30 square meters. In that space, you can get good SPL with relatively small speakers.

I see no reason for not using the Blades watching tv/films/gaming, so subwoofers in non-music content are a good idea.