Just found this video thought to share.

[mononoaware]

 

[Count Arthur]

I always think it odd when child birth is described as a miracle.

The fact there are 7 billion people on the planet would suggest that it's quite a commonplace occurance.

Not that I would actually want to go through it; looks like it smarts a bit.

 

[tomtoo]

From a pure engeneering point of view. Every live is a miracle.

Just think about a fruit fly. Man what a advanced engeneering. And no iam not religious. Just looking at the mechanics, its a miracle.

 

[mononoaware]

After viewing this, the magnified/detailed process (some of which may be theoretical) definitely gives an impression that the process was definitely engineered.

I wonder. . .

 

[tomtoo]

After viewing this, the magnified/detailed process (some of which may be theoretical) definitely gives an impression that the process was definitely engineered.

I wonder. . .

Dont think so.

 

[mononoaware]

I always think it odd when child birth is described as a miracle.

Sorry I have never heard this saying from anyone in person.

 

[Chromatischism]

With an understanding of evolution (random mutation and natural selection), it makes sense how different life forms come to be the way they are, but remember no living creature is in its final form. There is only change. Including all of their flaws and vestigial parts that are no longer needed. Humans with appendixes and tail bones, and only one hole to eat, drink, and breathe out of? Dolphins got the better deal there. Whales with leg bones? Do they plan on returning to land some day? Such is the way of the universe.

 

[mononoaware]

Dont think so.

Hmmm now considering it again, have some doubt.

But that process where the sperm has to navigate the Fallopian tube? area and with all the obstruction and challenges made me think it is engineered.

 

[JayGilb]

After viewing this, the magnified/detailed process (some of which may be theoretical) definitely gives an impression that the process was definitely engineered.

I wonder. . .

It's amazing what a 3.5 billions years of evolutionary life cycles can create.
Humans do not process such large numbers easily and fail to understand just how evolution happens over such large time spans

 

[mononoaware]

It's amazing what a 3.5 billions years of evolutionary life cycles can create.
Humans do not process such large numbers easily and fail to understand just how evolution happens in such large time spans

An opinion I have is that from the universes perspective, we have evolved and become “human” much more quickly than we perceive.

Almost Logarithmic in scale, so all this evolution has happened at an accelerating pace.

 

[rgpit]

I always think it odd when child birth is described as a miracle.

The fact there are 7 billion people on the planet would suggest that it's quite a commonplace occurance.

Not that I would actually want to go through it; looks like it smarts a bit.

What is your definition of "miracle"?

 

[tomtoo]

Hmmm now considering it again, have some doubt.

But that process where the sperm has to navigate the Fallopian tube? area and with all the obstruction and challenges made me think it is engineered.

After viewing this, the magnified/detailed process (some of which may be theoretical) definitely gives an impression that the process was definitely engineered.

I wonder. . .

Do you think cancer would be good engineering ?

 

[mononoaware]

Do you think cancer would be good engineering ?

From what I know, cancer is caused by the natural healing process of the body.
It is the same process by which burn injuries heal.

So a pre-programmed function could cause an unpredicable response to certain circumstances.
Engineer’s can make mistakes can’t they?

 

[tomtoo]

From what I know, cancer is caused by the natural healing process of the body.
It is the same process by which burn injuries heal.

So a pre-programmed function could cause an unpredicable response to certain circumstances.
Engineer’s can make mistakes can’t they?

Having a engine run amok is always bad engineering. Some kind of positive feedback without a emergency break.

 

[tomtoo]

Having a engine run amok is always bad engineering. Some kind of positive feedback without a emergency break.

Something like a nuclear reaktor

 

[mononoaware]

Having a engine run amok is always bad engineering. Some kind of positive feedback without a emergency break.

Okay. But initially comment was “impression that it was definitely engineered”.
So it could still be the engineer made mistakes. . .

By the way I am currently facing mortality my self.
Your cancer comment is based on the common idea that death is negative, or at least worse destination than life.
It is easy to say “life” is good I think, because most of the people saying it are alive.
It is like supporting the cause you know, it is easier to say death is a bad place worse than life.

 

[tomtoo]

Okay. But initially comment was “impression that it was definitely engineered”.
So it could still be the engineer made mistakes. . .

I have no reason to invent a engineer that makes mistakes, when evolution explains the situation much more easy.

 

[mononoaware]

I have no no reason to invent a engineer that makes mistakes, when evolution explains the situation much more easy.

Maybe this is where we are different. . .
I do not have much strong “faith” in beings more advanced/evolved than human.

 

[tomtoo]

Maybe this is where we are different. . .
I do not have much strong “faith” in beings more advanced/evolved than human.

Dont get you? Maybe you could explain more detailed?

 

[mononoaware]

Dont get you? Maybe you could explain more detailed?

Sorry it seems I am speaking in my own head (only I understood).

Many people believe “superior beings” to be flawless or that they do not struggle with similar impulses and illogical actions similar to human beings.

I believe there exists a scale for superior beings and they can be “pathetic” and have the potential to be impaired/compromised.