Chinese accuphase clone comparison video

[Dnemes1s]

Hey everyone.

Just thought I would post this for the people that might be interested in the Accuphase clone pre amps.

Video of me comparing an Muysus C2860 plus pre amp to a real Accuphase C-2850 pre amp.

Used all reference grade equipment in a sound treated room to bring the best out in the whole system

Can see that the Muysus is a real bang for your buck item.

 

[MaxwellsEq]

Hi, welcome to ASR.

The forum has a policy of requiring you to write a summary of what's interesting about the video, what is discussed, what conclusions are reached and the methodology adopted for any comparisons. Please can you do this?

 

[Alberto11]

So in summary you think it's very good for the price? Have you compared it to anything else? Also, do you know if it has Bypass Mode? Very interested in getting this preamp.

 

[Dnemes1s]

So in summary you think it's very good for the price? Have you compared it to anything else? Also, do you know if it has Bypass Mode? Very interested in getting this preamp.

Yeah I would say its pretty un-beatable for the price. Only other thing I have compared it to was my previous pre amp, which was a Rotel RC972, which it smoked in terms of sound quality. It has a switch next to the power that is labeled "Direct" that bypasses the tone controls. Can recommend it 100%.

 

[Mikig]

personal opinion. those speakers, positioned in that way and with that cabinet between them, leave me with many doubts...

you could get much more by studying their positioning and leaving that space between the speakers free for the music, or rather for the sound waves...

having said that, you should try that preamp instrumentally and do an objective listening test.
Anyway, thanks for the content, every content is always useful for reflection!!

 

[Dnemes1s]

personal opinion. those speakers, positioned in that way and with that cabinet between them, leave me with many doubts...

you could get much more by studying their positioning and leaving that space between the speakers free for the music, or rather for the sound waves...

having said that, you should try that preamp instrumentally and do an objective listening test.
Anyway, thanks for the content, every content is always useful for reflection!!

Its not my setup so I cant really do any changes to it, but the owner of the setup has played around with a bunch of different configurations and found this is what works best for his area. Cant say the recording really does it justice, but it does sound like the best system I have listened to. But everythings subjective.

 

[vddobrev]

What exactly is a Chinese Accuphase clone? Is it a licensed manufacturing, or is it a counterfeit copy?
Why would anyone be excited about this?

 

[Mikig]

Its not my setup so I cant really do any changes to it, but the owner of the setup has played around with a bunch of different configurations and found this is what works best for his area. Cant say the recording really does it justice, but it does sound like the best system I have listened to. But everythings subjective.

I allowed myself, because the best configurations I have heard, almost always see space around the speakers, what many call "air" and certainly to extract the best from the speakers themselves not having furniture between them is an advantage.

He should test with software and microphone to have an objective feedback, but if he likes it and you liked it a lot, good.

Maybe by trying in the future with objective methods you can or will be able to achieve even better results!

 

[mhardy6647]

What exactly is a Chinese Accuphase clone? Is it a licensed manufacturing, or is it a counterfeit copy?

"To ask the question is to answer it."
I think the more interesting question is how clonal it actually is.
My suspicion of most if not all of these inexpensive (relatively speaking) Asian-sourced "clones" of much more expensive "brand name" components (vintage/classic or current production) is that the extent of their clonality ends at their product descriptions.

Cf., e.g., the famous (or infamous) McIntosh MC275 clone(s), e.g.
Perhaps the circuitry is identical (i.e., a clone of) that of the MC275 Mk IV (or whichever) -- but I'll reckon that the output transformers are not made identical to Mac's originals. Call me a skeptic.

source: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809056084043.html

 

[Dnemes1s]

I allowed myself, because the best configurations I have heard, almost always see space around the speakers, what many call "air" and certainly to extract the best from the speakers themselves not having furniture between them is an advantage.

He should test with software and microphone to have an objective feedback, but if he likes it and you liked it a lot, good.

Maybe by trying in the future with objective methods you can or will be able to achieve even better results!

I will say that the setup is in an apartment living room thats perhaps 4m x 6m. So its the best for the given area.

 

[Dnemes1s]

"To ask the question is to answer it."
I think the more interesting question is how clonal it actually is.
My suspicion of most if not all of these inexpensive (relatively speaking) Asian-sourced "clones" of much more expensive "brand name" components (vintage/classic or current production) is that the extent of their clonality ends at their product descriptions.

Cf., e.g., the famous (or infamous) McIntosh MC275 clone(s), e.g.
Perhaps the circuitry is identical (i.e., a clone of) that of the MC275 Mk IV (or whichever) -- but I'll reckon that the output transformers are not made identical to Mac's originals. Call me a skeptic.


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source: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809056084043.html

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Of course the clones will never sound as good as the originals, but if they can reproduce the sound of the original to 80% or more then I would say they are pretty good. Especially for the price.

What exactly is a Chinese Accuphase clone? Is it a licensed manufacturing, or is it a counterfeit copy?
Why would anyone be excited about this?

To answer this as well, mostly the last part, people get excited about this because its an affordable way to get your foot into that super high end world. If I can get myself a whole accuphase clone system(pre amp and power amp) for 3-4k vs paying full price for the real set, which would be like 50-70k+, then I would say its pretty damn good. I would put money of that it would come close to the original sound. Not all of us have a shit load of money to just blow on amps and pre amps like that. If you cant at least accept that its a good way for people to get into the high end world without having to pay the insane audiophile tax, then idk what to say. A real A75 is a house deposit for me.

 

[Mikig]

well….we should enter into a long philosophical…social…industrial…economic and personal discussion….

Anyway, with 3/4 K you make yourself a great system….true, authentic and good sounding, if that's really what you're looking for!

 

[Mikig]

Se non puoi almeno accettare che sia un buon modo per le persone di entrare nel mondo di fascia alta senza dover pagare la folle tassa degli audiofili, allora non so cosa dire.

it's not the crazy audiophile tax. What is cloned or copied is the result of intellectual genius and the work of others. You pay for that. But then I ask you a question: what pleasure is there in knowing that you have purchased a clone piece? it's something I just can't understand, be it a watch, a jacket, an amplifier... why?

 

[Dnemes1s]

it's not the crazy audiophile tax. What is cloned or copied is the result of intellectual genius and the work of others. You pay for that. But then I ask you a question: what pleasure is there in knowing that you have purchased a clone piece? it's something I just can't understand, be it a watch, a jacket, an amplifier... why?

The pleasure is how it sounds. If you close your eyes and just listen it doesnt matter what brand it is. Aint worth arguing over. Just wanted to share this with people about how good the clones are. Not saying to only buy clones.

 

[Mikig]

Il piacere è come suona. Se chiudi gli occhi e ascolti, non importa di che marca sia.

exactly, get a Fosi V3 and live happily, close your eyes and listen! saving 3/4 K of the budget

 

[Dnemes1s]

exactly, get a Fosi V3 and live happily, close your eyes and listen! saving 3/4 K of the budget

If thats what floats your boat.

 

[mhardy6647]

Of course the clones will never sound as good as the originals, but if they can reproduce the sound of the original to 80% or more then I would say they are pretty good. Especially for the price.

80% in terms of what, exactly?

 

[kemmler3D]

80% in terms of what, exactly?

Musicality, depth of soundstage, blackness of background, PRaT, "impact", realism, air, bass texture, you name it, anything but measurements of course.

 

[Dnemes1s]

80% in terms of what, exactly?

To the sound of the original. Any aspect you wanna say, besides actual measurements.

 

[FrantzM]

Hi

For starters ,there is no magic in making an amp. Accupahse will sound identical within its operating range to any competently designed and built amplifier; these days, most any amplifier. They sound the same. There is no magic... there is no special ingredient or sauce. So I am annoyed by post like this,

Yeah I would say its pretty un-beatable for the price. Only other thing I have compared it to was my previous pre amp, which was a Rotel RC972, which it smoked in terms of sound quality. It has a switch next to the power that is labeled "Direct" that bypasses the tone controls. Can recommend it 100%.

they shouldn't fly around here.. And I am taking the OP to task. Did you measure? Can you show us some measurements, graphs that would prove that those clones or the original would "smoke" the/your Rotel?
or that pearl:

Of course the clones will never sound as good as the originals, but if they can reproduce the sound of the original to 80% or more then I would say they are pretty good. Especially for the price.

Another nonsense, If the clone is competently built, a trivial task these days, it will sound exactly the same as the Accuphase...

Not sure I like the idea of "cloning" a design.. I tend to believe in IP and trademarks and ... but ... copying designs from others is shared equally amongst countries.. That doesn't make it correct.. but ...

A different debate, perhaps...

Peace.