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How to connect a DAC to an integrated amplifier

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When we tested different amplifiers in the listening room of the audio shop, we always listened to the tracks we were familiar with, and unfortunately, we couldn't detect any sound that felt distorted. The amplifier's sound was so cold, yet smooth, that switching the DAC revealed a significant difference. And even though it wasn't the loud sound I originally preferred, I couldn't deceive myself. It was a good sound—far from the harsh, abrasive kind that annoys the ears. Thank you for your concern.
That's with the same speakers you use back home?The harsh sound you describe comes from speaker's flaws,placement,room,etc.
It's highly unlikely an amp to cause that except there's something very wrong with it or can't drive the said speakers or is load depended,etc.
 
Were volume levels matched when switching DACs? If not the test is likely deceptive.

Level matched - preferably blind - and without a sales guy standing by eulogising about how amazing the sound is from this overpriced piece of junk, and/or while operating it with reverence and respect. (using body language to set the expectation), and/or setting things up to make the others sound in some way worse.

we came to the subjective conclusion that we couldn't hear the same sound quality from other amplifiers.

Pretty certain you've been had.
 
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Pretty certain you've been had.
Yup.

Don't let someone manipulate you into a decision. Make decisions based on data, not feelings. ASR is all about that. People here are not trying to convince you to buy a product, only to direct you to the data that verifyibly shows you where the quality is.

I get it: You have the means - you want something that makes a statement. Fine. Then at least consider that you can do both - make a spendy statement and still have objectively good performance. The two are not exclusive of each other. It's that in the high-end world, people want you to believe that price and performance are closely linked, but ASR has shown time and time again that the linkage is often inverse. The higher the price. the more pedestrian the performance.

Be spendy. Make a statement. But make an objectively good purchase.

Good luck with your journey.
 
That's with the same speakers you use back home?The harsh sound you describe comes from speaker's flaws,placement,room,etc.
It's highly unlikely an amp to cause that except there's something very wrong with it or can't drive the said speakers or is load depended,etc.
The dial volume doesn’t have any numbers, and my ears aren’t a computer, so I can’t know exactly how much the volume differed. But this is simply my impression after comparing more than 20 tracks per DAC. We tested everything using the same speakers, and by "harsh sound," I simply mean a sound that's overly stimulating.
I’ve already spent months listening to and comparing as many amplifiers as I could. While not many of them were able to properly drive the speakers, I just chose one of the better-performing amplifiers. Realistically, I don’t think there were any better options. At least it was a more practical decision than setting up mono amps in the living room. In any case, it’s all about listening and making your own judgment, isn’t it? I appreciate your concern.
 
The dial volume doesn’t have any numbers, and my ears aren’t a computer, so I can’t know exactly how much the volume differed. But this is simply my impression after comparing more than 20 tracks per DAC. We tested everything using the same speakers, and by "harsh sound," I simply mean a sound that's overly stimulating.
I’ve already spent months listening to and comparing as many amplifiers as I could. While not many of them were able to properly drive the speakers, I just chose one of the better-performing amplifiers. Realistically, I don’t think there were any better options. At least it was a more practical decision than setting up mono amps in the living room. In any case, it’s all about listening and making your own judgment, isn’t it? I appreciate your concern.
The problem is a half decibel level difference, which you probably would never notice will make the two devices sound different in quality even if there is no other difference. Doesn't matter how many tracks, doesn't matter how long you've been at this, does not matter your impressions will be misleading to you.
In any case, it’s all about listening and making your own judgment, isn’t it?
See this approach is almost sure to be misleading if you aren't careful to match levels and audition without knowing which is which. It is just how us humans work.

One better option offered is the McIntosh. Those are pretty snazzy bits of gear too though a different taste than the Chord. Benchmark amps would be better. For that money you could look at the Mola Mola Perca amp. I think they are $5500 for stereo and will play your speakers fine while offering top level performance.

 
If you would like to stick to HiFi robust durable "integrated" amplifiers having balanced XLR inputs from DACs, YAMAHA A-S3200, LUXMAN L-509Z, ACCUPHASE E-5000 (or E-4000, E-380) would be also possible nice candidates.

Edit: You may easily search and find detailed specifications for these robust, powerful and reliable integrated amps! :)

e.g., ACCUPHSE E-5000 is 320 W/Ch (continuous average 4 Ohm stereo load); with stunning warranties and long-year service & repair availability (ref. here and here; these service policy and practice are of course the same for overseas users through the appointed dealers). Note that you need the option board DAC-60 (and AD-60, if to connect your vinyl TT to the amp).
https://www.accuphase.com/cat/e-5000_e.pdf
https://www.hifireport.com/accuphase-e-5000-stereo-integrated-amplifier-review/
https://www.hifitest.de/test/vollverstaerker/accuphase-e-5000-22053
https://shopjustaudio.com/collectio...s/accuphase-e-480?_pos=4&_fid=4c1cc9f44&_ss=c
 
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The problem is a half decibel level difference, which you probably would never notice will make the two devices sound different in quality even if there is no other difference. Doesn't matter how many tracks, doesn't matter how long you've been at this, does not matter your impressions will be misleading to you.
In any case, it’s all about listening and making your own judgment, isn’t it?
See this approach is almost sure to be misleading if you aren't careful to match levels and audition without knowing which is which. It is just how us humans work.

One better option offered is the McIntosh. Those are pretty snazzy bits of gear too though a different taste than the Chord. Benchmark amps would be better. For that money you could look at the Mola Mola Perca amp. I think they are $5500 for stereo and will play your speakers fine while offering top level performance.


I like McIntosh, and in fact, it aligns better with my preferences compared to what I had been looking for previously. I've already tested McIntosh's integrated amplifier (MA12000). To properly drive my speakers, a minimum of 250W/4ohm is required, and the price of an integrated amp that provides that level of power is far beyond the typical range.

Perhaps it's just bad luck, but the speakers we've chosen are difficult to match, leading to many frustrating moments. However, when everything aligns and they perform properly, the result is so excellent that it's hard to give up—it's a bittersweet joy that has somewhat driven us crazy.

We haven't ignored other options. We've tested many amplifiers—major and minor brands like Yamaha, McIntosh, Naim, NAD, Copland, Electrocompaniet, etc.—to find the best match for our speakers. Among those, we selected the ones that could properly control the speakers and fit within our budget, and we chose the sound we liked best. This was the result of considerable effort. Unless We're a surrealist who orders an amplifier for our living room just by looking at graphs and thinking, "This should be good!" without any actual matching, I simply chose the approach of physically testing and matching as many amplifiers as possible to achieve the best possible result.

... and at none of the audio listening shops we visited did anyone recommend Chord products. After failing once again with the amplifier matching I wanted to hear, I simply said, "Let me hear something else," and the staff responded with a detached attitude. They just connected the Streamer and DAC without any explanation and left. :-(

Regarding your concern, I appreciate it, but the truth is, I was initially curious about the DAC's XLR line-out because every time I changed the DAC, I could clearly hear the difference in sound characteristics, which was so striking that I began to wonder if I was mistaken. But it seems like it was just a misconception on my part.
 
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Thank you for your suggestion. Although I haven’t had the chance to match that model, I do appreciate its attractive specs and classic design. However, Accuphase seems to carry quite a premium among sellers, and it's relatively expensive here, almost on par with Chord products. Also, after spending so much time and energy deliberating over amplifiers, I’ll be honest — after selecting the amplifier, receiving the quote, and finalizing the contract for delivery once the new house is completed, I no longer want to listen to the sound of any other amplifiers.
 
Thank you for your suggestion. Although I haven’t had the chance to match that model, I do appreciate its attractive specs and classic design. However, Accuphase seems to carry quite a premium among sellers, and it's relatively expensive here, almost on par with Chord products. Also, after spending so much time and energy deliberating over amplifiers, I’ll be honest — after selecting the amplifier, receiving the quote, and finalizing the contract for delivery once the new house is completed, I no longer want to listen to the sound of any other amplifiers.
Okay, well enough you have your amp. You have your answer in that you can select any DAC with XLR and use AVR bypass to feed it directly in. Might as well use XLR anyway. So how to connect is answered.
 
Thank you for your suggestion. Although I haven’t had the chance to match that model, I do appreciate its attractive specs and classic design. However, Accuphase seems to carry quite a premium among sellers, and it's relatively expensive here, almost on par with Chord products. Also, after spending so much time and energy deliberating over amplifiers, I’ll be honest — after selecting the amplifier, receiving the quote, and finalizing the contract for delivery once the new house is completed, I no longer want to listen to the sound of any other amplifiers.

Since I do not know where you are living/locating, I do hope, only if it would be still possible and feasible at your end, you could have good discussion with "your" local ACCUPHASE official dealer (if you can find any), including;

1. highly possible "free" demonstration/audition at your own home listening room with your specific SP system,
I actually did such "free" demonstration/audition on E-460 (around 2010) and A-36 (Class-A, ref. here and here) at my home listening room with my SP system; as the results, I did purchased E-460, but I decided not to get A-36!

after that, if you would fully satisfy with the ACCUPHASE gear (E-5000),

2. quote negotiation,
3. VAT and shipping cost confirmation/negotiation,
4. warranties and service policy/practice,
5. etc.
:D

These are my personal suggestions, and you would please feel that you have no need of responding further to my posts here...
 
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Perhaps it's just bad luck, but the speakers we've chosen are difficult to match, leading to many frustrating moments. However, when everything aligns and they perform properly, the result is so excellent that it's hard to give up—it's a bittersweet joy that has somewhat driven
I'm glad you found an amplifier you're happy with but out of curiosity what speakers do you have that this Mcintosh doesn't properly drive but this Chord does?
 
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Since I do not know where you are living/locating, I do hope, only if it would be still possible and feasible at your end, you could have good discussion with "your" local ACCUPHASE official dealer (if you can find any), including;

1. highly possible "free" demonstration/audition at your own home listening room with your specific SP system,
I actually did such "free" demonstration/audition on E-460 (around 2010) and A-36 (Class-A, ref. here and here) at my home listening room with my SP system; as the results, I did purchased E-460, but I decided not to get A-36!

after that, if you would fully satisfy with the ACCUPHASE gear (E-5000),

2. quote negotiation,
3. VAT and shipping cost confirmation/negotiation,
4. warranties and service policy/practice,
5. etc.
:D

These are my personal suggestions, and you would please feel that you have no need of responding further to my posts here...
In this country, which is unfortunately suffering from chaos due to the recent rebellion of a deranged ruler, there is no official ACCUPHASE dealer.
 
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No advice for the rich audiophiles, muahahaaa (joke)
While we are not wealthy, we have been building an ark for a year out of despair over this insane regime, pouring our souls into music as our only solace. (Not a joke:facepalm:)
 
what speakers
I'm not really an audiophile. I don’t know much about speakers, and I only have a 'favorite sound' that I enjoy. I can't really speak with any objective facts, and I would say I'm just an ordinary music enthusiast who happens to be caught up in my own personal speaker journey.

My speaker is the Revival Audio Atalante 5. This one is a boxy, typical design that defies expectations with its sound. It has barely noticeable bass, thin mids, and strangely crisp highs. While most box speakers have a stable triangular shape in terms of sound, this one feels more like an inverted triangle. If I only listened to the sound, I wouldn't want this speaker for free, but unfortunately, after trying different amplifiers, I realized that some of them reveal its beautiful potential. I'm not entirely sure, but I suspect it's related to damping factor (?).

We can use efficient class amplifiers or mono power amps to force this speaker to sound like it looks, but it just gives us an ordinary sound for a very high cost—powerful but hollow. On the other hand, with some amplifiers, the bass that was previously inaudible became richer, and on top of that, mids gently emerged, transforming its previously inverted triangle balance into a rectangular, linear sound. This led us to move away from JBL loudspeakers.

We liked its looks at first, and although we were initially betrayed by the sound, we later discovered its unique charm. Then we went on a quest to find an amplifier to breathe life into it. When we connected it to a Chord amp and listened to Vilde Frang's Stravinsky concerto and Anna Gourari's Schnittke Concerto, there was no turning back. The fortunate part is that no one ever explained the advantages of this speaker to us, and this entire process became our own personal joy.
 
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Erin has reviewed and measured this speaker. The measures show why it sounds like it does to some extent. The thin mids and crisp highs are the response of the speaker. The lack of bass doesn't fit. That might be a room position problem though it looks like it would have hollow bass for what it has. The impedance and phase look somewhat demanding below 300 hz.


I don't understand the attraction as your description doesn't sound satisfactory. Finding it to work in some demo at another location with other amps was more than likely a room effect (or did you demo some amps at home finding this?) Why this would lead you away from JBL speakers I don't know. They appear to be very picky with vertical orientation. So the balance might change with that varying as well.

If it is the speaker you like and wish to use that is fine. I think trying to tune the speaker sound with an amp is a difficult route to take. I don't know how close to the rear wall you have these, but a bit of space behind them will be preferred because of the rear facing ports.

I fail to see any particular reason the Chord would match these better than other amps. In any case, you have your speakers and your amps so hook it up with XLR and away you go.
 
Erin has reviewed and measured this speaker. The measures show why it sounds like it does to some extent. The thin mids and crisp highs are the response of the speaker. The lack of bass doesn't fit. That might be a room position problem though it looks like it would have hollow bass for what it has. The impedance and phase look somewhat demanding below 300 hz.


I don't understand the attraction as your description doesn't sound satisfactory. Finding it to work in some demo at another location with other amps was more than likely a room effect (or did you demo some amps at home finding this?) Why this would lead you away from JBL speakers I don't know. They appear to be very picky with vertical orientation. So the balance might change with that varying as well.

If it is the speaker you like and wish to use that is fine. I think trying to tune the speaker sound with an amp is a difficult route to take. I don't know how close to the rear wall you have these, but a bit of space behind them will be preferred because of the rear facing ports.

I fail to see any particular reason the Chord would match these better than other amps. In any case, you have your speakers and your amps so hook it up with XLR and away you go.
The measurements above don't mean much to me. I've listened extensively to these speakers, and I think they're not well-made. In some ways, I consider them defective because their performance heavily depends on the amplifier. I've simply tried to compensate for their shortcomings.

When I first saw these speakers, I expected rich, deep bass, an easy resonance, and a warm texture akin to horn speakers. However, they turned out to be completely different—more like large monitor speakers in some ways. The bass from these 12-inch woofer box speakers is not what I associate with others in this category. I’ve listened to them in multiple audio shops with different setups, but the bass always sounded the same.

When paired with a few Class D Purifi amps offering around 300W of power, I discovered they could produce bass similar to that of typical box speakers. However, I felt the sound didn’t improve; instead, the overall sound became duller. It wasn't that the bass increased while mids and highs became relatively subdued—it was more that the entire sound lacked clarity. Simply put, the sound was worse than that of other speakers in a similar price range.

However, when I paired them with Chord amplifiers, the speakers’ true charm emerged: their density of sound. I usually avoid such expressions, but with other amplifiers, the space between the beginning and end of notes felt hollow, as if blowing into an empty bottle. With Chord, every nuance of the notes, from start to finish, was faithfully reproduced. The highs are unquestionably the speakers' strong suit, while the mids are very light, to the point where they feel about a half-step higher, but the soft bass counterbalances this. In summary, the sound is extremely bright.

I don’t know how Chord amplifiers sound with other speakers, but to me, this pairing is exceptional. Whether it's due to the speaker's responsiveness(?) or the amplifier's damping factor(?), I’m not sure, but it brought a new level of completeness I hadn’t experienced with other amplifier combinations. I strongly recommend giving them a listen.
 
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