Honey.... I'am home

[fatoldgit]

Not much to say....

Just spent the last few (exhausting) days on another forum trying to save some souls vis-à-vis how ethernet/tcpip work (store and forward packetized transmissions with robust error checking), how I can stream qobuz to my home fine despite the Qobuz server being over 22,000km away and how $$$ reclocking switches, $$$ cat 8 ethernet cables and $$$ LPS's on your ISP router wont' do squat.

I don't think I saved any souls...true believers gonna believe.

Anyway, its nice to be back in the land of logic and reason... My home away from home....that's all I wanted to say.



Peter

 

[Mart68]

It is an oasis of sanity.

 

[SIY]

"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig." - R. A. Heinlein

 

[Esprit]

“A lavare la testa dell'asino si perde sia l'acqua che il sapone”
Washing the donkey's head loses both water and soap.
(Making a stubborn person understand something is just a useless waste of time)

 

[Thomas Savage]

"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig." - R. A. Heinlein

Plus it's not going to improve the flavour, now if it did...

 

[Purité Audio]

Not much to say....

Just spent the last few (exhausting) days on another forum trying to save some souls vis-à-vis how ethernet/tcpip work (store and forward packetized transmissions with robust error checking), how I can stream qobuz to my home fine despite the Qobuz server being over 22,000km away and how $$$ reclocking switches, $$$ cat 8 ethernet cables and $$$ LPS's on your ISP router wont' do squat.

I don't think I saved any souls...true believers gonna believe.

Anyway, its nice to be back in the land of logic and reason... My home away from home....that's all I wanted to say.



Peter

You are ‘Ricko01’ and I claim my five pounds, they were terrific posts, they won’t make the slightest difference of course because, well you know why.
Keith

 

[Old_School_Brad]

Plus it's not going to improve the flavour, now if it did...

Bringing this back to an audio-related topic, cows produce more milk when listening to calming music.

 

[007Shorty]

“Never argue with stupid people lost souls, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Mark Twain

 

[Old_School_Brad]

Not much to say....

Just spent the last few (exhausting) days on another forum trying to save some souls vis-à-vis how ethernet/tcpip work (store and forward packetized transmissions with robust error checking), how I can stream qobuz to my home fine despite the Qobuz server being over 22,000km away and how $$$ reclocking switches, $$$ cat 8 ethernet cables and $$$ LPS's on your ISP router wont' do squat.

I don't think I saved any souls...true believers gonna believe.

Anyway, its nice to be back in the land of logic and reason... My home away from home....that's all I wanted to say.



Peter

Overruled by an AI guided with leading questions. Classic..

 

[ZolaIII]

Plus it's not going to improve the flavour, now if it did...

The Effect of Music on Livestock: Cattle, Poultry and Pigs - PMC

In times of intensified livestock production, the search for methods that reduce stress, which has an adverse impact on the health and welfare of their animals, has become a challenge for breeders and producers. Therefore, the possibility of using ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[threni]

"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig." - R. A. Heinlein

Don't wrestle in the mud with pigs. You both get muddy and the pig likes it.

 

[fatoldgit]

You are ‘Ricko01’ and I claim my five pounds, they were terrific posts, they won’t make the slightest difference of course because, well you know why.
Keith

Send my your paypal address because I indeed are "ricko01" and thanks for the compliment.

I have been posting similar stuff for many years both on PFM and SHF (under yet another logon) but as you say, I doubt I moved the needle a nano metre.

So now that I have been outed it should be noted I have given up posting on PFM....my passion is computer based audio but I guess I will keep it to myself for the reasons contained in those wonderful quotes above about pigs and donkeys.

Below is my final post on PFM, for the record:

I guess, in hindsight, that my only regret in life is that I am not a bit older so that the day I pop my clogs would be closer.

It would seem in all aspects of human life now that more and more people have no critical thinking capabilities and these types of threads are a microcosm of this sad trend.

I have done my best, on this thread and many others, to try and help lay people understand why things like reclocking switches (as one example of many such fallacies) are illogical. I don't believe how I stated this information was too technical so I can't blame myself for not being able to break through the noise from non-critical thinkers.

So believe what you want, this after all is just a hobby but I hope all of you do apply critical thinking in aspects of your life that really are important...to you, to those around you and to the world at large.

Goodbye Cruel PFM......


Peter

 

[voodooless]

"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig." - R. A. Heinlein

Yeah, better just put lipstick on it and call it a day

 

[fatoldgit]

Overruled by an AI guided with leading questions. Classic..

If we are both talking about the same post... then yes.

I think that was the final straw... I could have rebutted each point noted by the esteemed expert ChatGPT but why bother and it kinda exemplified where we are at and also heading.

So it's nice to be home here, with the warm glow from Fire of Logic burning brightly in the fireplace, sitting in one of ASR's comfortable chairs and having conversations with sane people.

Peter

 

[ZolaIII]

@fatoldgit what's the gateway (edit; to your far remote server of course)? Is it same as this site host one?

 

[kemmler3D]

Audiophile ethernet is one of the dumber things out there, but it is not surprising that people who have spent hundreds or thousands on snake oil refuse to give up on it. After all,

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."

What I wonder is whether the degree of commitment to a wrong idea / scam increases with the amount of money lost, and whether the relationship is linear, exponential, or something else...

 

[Mart68]

If we are both talking about the same post... then yes.

I think that was the final straw... I could have rebutted each point noted by the esteemed expert ChatGPT but why bother and it kinda exemplified where we are at and also heading.

So it's nice to be home here, with the warm glow from Fire of Logic burning brightly in the fireplace, sitting in one of ASR's comfortable chairs and having conversations with sane people.

Peter

You won't ever convince the people you were arguing with / attempting to educate but at least some of the thousands of people reading rather than participating will learn something that will save them squandering thousands on a scam. If it's some consolation.

The real problem is when nonsense is allowed to go unchecked, many reading will assume there is a consensus. That's really how the whole foo market got going in the first place.

 

[voodooless]

What I wonder is whether the degree of commitment to a wrong idea / scam increases with the amount of money lost, and whether the relationship is linear, exponential, or something else...

There seems to be quite some research on this, and the consensus seems to be that the effect is exponential. But there also seems to be a kind of plateau, at which point you’ll either break and fully accept the reality, or keep on going with basically no point of return.

 

[fatoldgit]

@fatoldgit what's the gateway (edit; to your far remote server of course)? Is it same as this site host one?

I am confused by the question.... the only servers I have are in my home and not on the net...or is this some kind of test?

Are you asking me whats my route to ASR.... see below.. run on my linux laptop as eat my breakfast in my bed"

ricko@lenovo:~$ ping www.audiosciencereview.com

PING www.audiosciencereview.com (104.21.78.154) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 104.21.78.154 (104.21.78.154): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=49.5 ms
64 bytes from 104.21.78.154 (104.21.78.154): icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=52.3 ms
64 bytes from 104.21.78.154 (104.21.78.154): icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=52.8 ms
64 bytes from 104.21.78.154 (104.21.78.154): icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=50.6 ms
--- www.audiosciencereview.com ping statistics ---
4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3007ms

ricko@lenovo:~$ traceroute 104.21.78.154
traceroute to 104.21.78.154 (104.21.78.154), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 _gateway (192.168.1.254) 4.128 ms 4.007 ms 3.980 ms
2 203-114-134-244.lo.sta.inspire.net.nz (203.114.134.244) 16.885 ms 17.115 ms 18.244 ms
3 203-114-134-200.lo.sta.inspire.net.nz (203.114.134.200) 22.793 ms 22.766 ms 22.757 ms
4 203-114-190-44.sta.inspire.net.nz (203.114.190.44) 22.748 ms 22.739 ms 22.730 ms
5 203-114-190-50.sta.inspire.net.nz (203.114.190.50) 35.703 ms 35.694 ms 35.685 ms
6 203-114-134-218.lo.sta.inspire.net.nz (203.114.134.218) 61.223 ms 54.545 ms 54.501 ms
7 as13335.nsw.ix.asn.au (218.100.52.11) 69.339 ms 50.921 ms 50.859 ms
8 108.162.247.83 (108.162.247.83) 55.188 ms 108.162.250.5 (108.162.250.5) 63.577 ms 108.162.247.83 (108.162.247.83) 55.151 ms
9 104.21.78.154 (104.21.78.154) 51.837 ms 55.131 ms 51.818 ms

 

[alex-z]

The secret to making audiophile ethernet cables sound good is cutting the ends off and using them as speaker wire.