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@fatoldgit gateway trough cloud flair as domain to cut the shortcut and lower the ping. I run away from such things... Dont get me wrong.
 
voodooless said:
There seems to be quite some research on this, and the consensus seems to be that the effect is exponential. But there also seems to be a kind of plateau, at which point you’ll either break and fully accept the reality, or keep on going with basically no point of return.
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Do you have any links to such research, this stuff is usually fascinating.
 
kemmler3D said:
Audiophile ethernet is one of the dumber things out there, but it is not surprising that people who have spent hundreds or thousands on snake oil refuse to give up on it. After all,
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It's not just ethernet... it's the fact that stuff like Taiko servers actually exist or that hobbyist computer audio geeks believe ECC memory is needed or specific types of SATA drives make a difference or you need special SATA cables, that specific types of CPU's are needed or you need expensive USB cables and controllers or that magical BIOS settings etc etc make a difference

Look I didnt want this thread to be anything... we all here know there are peasants with pitchforks banging on the door to the Castle of Logic so lets not waste our energy here in this thread.

Peter
 
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Mart68 said:
You won't ever convince the people you were arguing with / attempting to educate but at least some of the thousands of people reading rather than participating will learn something that will save them squandering thousands on a scam. If it's some consolation.

The real problem is when nonsense is allowed to go unchecked, many reading will assume there is a consensus. That's really how the whole foo market got going in the first place.
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what I see on many forums is one "guru" (many times self appointed) sets the scene and and talks about blacker blacks etc and then they get a following and others buy into it (literally and metaphorically) and of course they can't be seen to contradict the guru, so they talk about blacker blacks etc then it snowballs.

Sad
 
fatoldgit said:
what I see on many forums is one "guru" (many times self appointed) sets the scene and and talks about blacker blacks etc and then they get a following and others buy into it (literally and metaphorically) and of course they can't be seen to contradict the guru, so they talk about blacker blacks etc then it snowballs.

Sad
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LoL... Don't get too wrapped in that rubbish. It's toxic stuff. :D
 
ZolaIII said:
@fatoldgit gateway trough cloud flair as domain to cut the shortcut and lower the ping. I run away from such things... Dont get me wrong.
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hmmm... still not getting it.

Obviously any journey I take through cloudflare is dependant on whether the end point I am wanting to reach is optimally served by cloudflare.

I am not sure, for example, if AWS uses cloudflare exclusively or whether they contract with others for redundancy or if I tried to hit say an AWS server on the US East coast whether I would still go via cloudflare.

I guess as a test I could try and find various AWS endpoints in different geo's and see if they all go via cloudflare

Peter
 
Not only ECC is needed but DDR is obsolete and for huge scale parallel DSP. We still need to brake free FP 64 not to go to deeper specifics. HBM and one day HBQ. You can't expect that cuple KW server will be silent can you? I just hope they won't eat us in the end. Now you have what would be considered as server a decade ago in your pocket but cognitive decline...
 
ZolaIII said:
@fatoldgit gateway trough cloud flair as domain to cut the shortcut and lower the ping. I run away from such things... Dont get me wrong.
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Ok maybe I get it now....maybe?

My ISP suggests that I use their DNS/gateway and it's true.

When I first signed up for their service, I noticed that images on websites would take forever to render so I asked them and after using their DNS/gateway, all is well.

Whether this is an issue specific to my ISP... no clue but it's not important cause I have no internet issues.

Peter
 
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ZolaIII said:
Not only ECC is needed but DDR is obsolete and for huge scale parallel DSP. We still need to brake free FP 64 not to go to deeper specifics. HBM and one day HBQ. You can't expect that cuple KW server will be silent can you? I just hope they won't eat us in the end. Now you have what would be considered as server a decade ago in your pocket but cognitive decline...
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sure, I am (was..I keep forgetting!!!) an enterprise level IT guy (million dollar plus servers, hiav etc) so obviously ECC is mandatory in this situation but the chances of encountering a bit error during music playback is minimal and also non-critical.

"Speeds and feeds" are important (say in the situation you note huge scale parallel DSP) but that's not what is needed for home audio as you know.

Peter
 
fatoldgit said:
So it's nice to be home here, with the warm glow from Fire of Logic burning brightly in the fireplace, sitting in one of ASR's comfortable chairs and having conversations with sane people.
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I'm gonna get myself a nice whiskey. Want one?
 
fatoldgit said:
sure, I am (was) an enterprise level IT guy (million dollar plus servers, hiav etc) so obviously ECC is mandatory in this situation but the chances of encountering a bit error during music playback is minimal and also non-critical.

"Speeds and feeds" are important (say in the situation you note huge scale parallel DSP) but that's not what is needed for home audio as you know.

Peter
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More like popular entertainment (from games to AI and of course many things in between) especially if on low power SoC.
 
ZolaIII said:
I just hope they won't eat us in the end. Now you have what would be considered as server a decade ago in your pocket but cognitive decline...
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I just read an article where parents are teaching their young kids (various ages) how to use ChatGPT etc to "give them a leg up in life" (if you understand that expression).

They should be outside climbing trees, making forts, downhill racers, falling off jungle gyms etc not being dumbed down via AI.

Peter
 
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fatoldgit said:
So it's nice to be home here, with the warm glow from Fire of Logic burning brightly in the fireplace, sitting in one of ASR's comfortable chairs and having conversations with sane people.
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Rather than where they burn heretics like us in Bonfires of the Vanities. 500 years have past... and ignorance still fuels the flames.
 
fatoldgit said:
I just read an article where parents are teaching their young kids (various ages) how to use ChatGPT etc to "give them a leg up in life" (if you understand that expression).

They should be outside climbing trees, making forts, downhill racers, falling off jungle gyms etc not being dumbed down via AI.

Peter
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Well it can't give a leg in the head of such perents as it can't give ability for critical things as it doesn't have it. It's more about neglecting really and big part is becoz they don't do it them self anymore. Some things would stick and other wouldn't but it's better than not having a choice. I grow up with lots of hobbies (in rather not so fortunate times) and still have some like all this forum stuff hire. I don't climb mountains like when I whose young but I do gardening...
 
I have enjoyed being a part of many different audio forums, including the subjectivist dens like audiogon, SHF, and many others. I like discussing the subjective aspect of the hobby.

However, after a while, I feel myself sinking into subjectivist quicksand, which is why I have to alight back to ASR to find firm footing again.
 
MattHooper said:
I have enjoyed being a part of many different audio forums, including the subjectivist dens like audiogon, SHF, and many others. I like discussing the subjective aspect of the hobby.

However, after a while, I feel myself sinking into subjectivist quicksand, which is why I have to alight back to ASR to find firm footing again.
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I have been on PFM and SHF for a while and never hit the quicksand your speak of but it was kinda depressing with the lack of critical thinking (which does require some effort) that probably 90% of forum members exhibited.

Now the point about "requires some effort" is interesting because there would be people that undertook torturous upgrade paths and complex multi-component swap ins/outs on their path to nirvana (which requires lots of effort) where just sitting back and doing some technical reading would have been easier and less expensive.

But of course for many, that's what the hobby (box swapping) is about *** so if that's their bag then it's all ok.

Peter

**** there was one guy that had purchased/replaced ~30 components over a two year period (he listed them all) including (from memory) something like 10 DAC's and I asked him how could he get any baseline on what his system sounded like with such a level of change. No reply was forth coming
 
fatoldgit said:
I have been on PFM and SHF for a while and never hit the quicksand your speak of but it was kinda depressing with the lack of critical thinking (which does require some effort) that probably 90% of forum members exhibited.

Now the point about "requires some effort" is interesting because there would be people that undertook torturous upgrade paths and complex multi-component swap ins/outs on their path to nirvana (which requires lots of effort) where just sitting back and doing some technical reading would have been easier and less expensive.

But of course for many, that's what the hobby (box swapping) is about *** so if that's their bag then it's all ok.

Peter

**** there was one guy that had purchased/replaced ~30 components over a two year period (he listed them all) including (from memory) something like 10 DAC's and I asked him how could he get any baseline on what his system sounded like with such a level of change. No reply was forth coming
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I often enough succumb to getting into discussions on those forums about tweaks, the relevance of measurements and blind testing, etc. While I do come in for some flack from the golden eared gang, there is still some significant support and agreement by other members. Even in those forums there are people who don’t hold totally subjectivist viewpoints.
 
I go to Darko to see what new products have hit the market, Hoffman for music and "visual arts" information, but I also read about gear. There are a lot of smart, reasonable people on that forum too, and fewer snake oil consumers than you might think.
But if I'm looking to learn or buy something I come here.
 
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