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I think that cable in your photo looks like an aftermarket cable cuz the stock cable is black for the one I have.When did they do it? Does it look different than mine in the review picture?
I think that cable in your photo looks like an aftermarket cable cuz the stock cable is black for the one I have.When did they do it? Does it look different than mine in the review picture?
The ones I ordered from Amazon had the one @amirm photographed as well as a black and much softer cable outside the box.I think that cable in your photo looks like an aftermarket cable cuz the stock cable is black for the one I have.
I got a new Hifiman today and I think this is the new supplied cable, it is a black rubber cable, no microphonics and doesn't retain any shape unlike the previous ones I'd seen on youtube.When did they do it? Does it look different than mine in the review picture?
Sound stage/ spatial quality very different (Sundara better, Arya the best).I've not heard the Sundara's. What makes them superior?
Apparently the black straight wire only came with products distributed inside China, for international market it's still sold with coiled transparent wire.@amirm “The included cord is this thin, horribly coiled wire.”
They have changed that. The included cable that came with my model is neither thin nor horribly coiled. For those who like it loud. With my Shanling UA2 on single ended it gets quite loud. With the balanced cable of course really loud…
Hifiman used to (or still?) include that transparent wire with the international market version of HE400SE(V2).I think that cable in your photo looks like an aftermarket cable cuz the stock cable is black for the one I have.
Compared to my DT1990, these do require more power for the same volume.I might add that despite these being 25 ohms and roughly the same efficiency in Amir’s chart as my Senn 650s I needed to use high gain on my JDS Atom. Something I never felt the need to do with my Sennheiser headphones on the exact same music.
So I’m turning them up louder. The interesting question is that because they sound better louder i.e. less distortion or they really take take more power for the same SPL.
When did they do it? Does it look different than mine in the review picture?
650s? I have the 560s and the HD 600. The 560s are far more sensivtive than the HE400. The HD 600 are roughly the same. And yes my DT 1990 gets a tad louder. (I only have a single ended cable for my DT 1990)Compared to my DT1990, these do require more power for the same volume.
In the chart, the 650s are more sensitive than the He400SE. Maybe you're looking at the HD600?
For me it is obvious that Amir himself came to a different conlusion. But I am unable to read measurments and I do not think that I am able to make conclusions about SQ without listening to the hp in question.Based on objective measurements from Amir of these 2 headphones.
Looking at the measurements from both I was a bit surprised by Amirs subjective conclusions. I also don't know why he didn't get good bass-extension from the Sundara.For me it is obvious that Amir himself came to a different conlusion. But I am unable to read measurments and I do not think that I am able to make conclusions about SQ without listening to the hp in question.
I quote Amir on the Sundara:
"Objectively we miss the bass by a mile but otherwise, compliance to our target is very good. Distortion while not best in class, is kept much more under control than Ananda. Likely the smaller driver is able to be much more optimized here.
Without EQ, I would not be a buyer as I love my deep bass response and highs that are a bit more sedated."
I quote Amir on the HE400
"Headphone testing doesn't get simpler than this when the device itself is not too far off the mark as is the case with HE400SE. Add a bit of salt and pepper in the form of bass boost and lower treble energy and you are in business with a very high fidelity headphone."
But as the Czar of IEMs likes to say: "Yes, this is the opinion of one person on the internet"
maybe because it’s 10 dB below target?Looking at the measurements from both I was a bit surprised by Amirs subjective conclusions. I also don't know why he didn't get good bass-extension from the Sundara.
Yes, that is what is so strange to me. I don't think it is in reality. Or at least not all of them. There are measurements out there that show this.maybe because it’s 10 dB below target?
"Based on objective measurements from Amir of these 2 headphones."Yes, that is what is so strange to me. I don't think it is in reality. Or at least not all of them. There are measurements out there that show this.
Is it a seating error on the GRAS rig Amir has? doesn't it seal well on his head as well as on his rig?
I don't know.
But I get almost the bass extension from my Sundara that I get from my Aeon RT closed. Which is quite a bit more than what the measurements from Amir show and also what his subjective review (biased by the measurements?) shows.
It not a problem for me, since I really like my Sundara. I'm just wondering where the differences come from.
I look at the measurements, look if they are valid and then draw my own conclusions based on what I know and the objective data I see.For me it is obvious that Amir himself came to a different conlusion. But I am unable to read measurments and I do not think that I am able to make conclusions about SQ without listening to the hp in question.
I quote Amir on the Sundara:
"Objectively we miss the bass by a mile but otherwise, compliance to our target is very good. Distortion while not best in class, is kept much more under control than Ananda. Likely the smaller driver is able to be much more optimized here.
Without EQ, I would not be a buyer as I love my deep bass response and highs that are a bit more sedated."
I quote Amir on the HE400
"Headphone testing doesn't get simpler than this when the device itself is not too far off the mark as is the case with HE400SE. Add a bit of salt and pepper in the form of bass boost and lower treble energy and you are in business with a very high fidelity headphone."
But as the Czar of IEMs likes to say: "Yes, this is the opinion of one person on the internet"
I haven't listened to either of these two, however I have a Qudelix 5K so we can test your opinion easily. I always enjoyed Harman bass with open backs tbh.Yes, that is what is so strange to me. I don't think it is in reality. Or at least not all of them. There are measurements out there that show this.
Is it a seating error on the GRAS rig Amir has? doesn't it seal well on his head as well as on his rig?
I don't know.
But I get almost the bass extension from my Sundara that I get from my Aeon RT closed. Which is quite a bit more than what the measurements from Amir show and also what his subjective review (biased by the measurements?) shows.
It not a problem for me, since I really like my Sundara. I'm just wondering where the differences come from.
You mean to compare bass extension between your HD400se and my Sundara? Yes, that could be interesting.I haven't listened to either of these two, however I have a Qudelix 5K so we can test your opinion easily. I always enjoyed Harman bass with open backs tbh.
more like compare Harman bass with regular bass between the Aeon RT and Sundara. Since you're under the impression that they're somewhat the same.You mean to compare bass extension between your HD400se and my Sundara? Yes, that could be interesting.
I don't mind Harman bass either. I don't need it, but I can enjoy it. Maybe I'm more 2013 aficionado than a 2018 one.