GR-Research "Little Giant Killer 2.0"

[amirm]

I been there since 07 or 08, nobody insult me.

And that one data point was enough to make the claim you did?

 

[Pogre]

I dig his past, he did send his speaker for review way way back.

!World Premier! Lucidity with GR Research's New Diluceo Loudspeakers by A. Colin Flood

Lucidity with GR Research's New Diluceo Loudspeakers - Enjoy the Music.com Review Magazine

www.enjoythemusic.com

GR-Research AV-1 - HighFidelityReview - Hi-Fi systems, DVD-Audio and SACD reviews

Listening tests and review of GR-Research AV-1 small two-way bookshelf speakers - a wonderful example of the marriage of technology, computer testing & quality.

www.highfidelityreview.com

At the bottom of his website, you can see how much reviews/award he bagged in the past. He just don't need reviews as an influencer now.

That review is over 16 years old! How about something more current? Where's the before and after testing for his mod upgrades? Do you have anything relevant?

PS, I'm not saying he can't build a decent speaker. The fuzzier claims are what I'd like to see demonstrated!

 

[ryanosaur]

Wave field synthesis -- possibly something we'll see more in the coming years.

HOLOPLOT X1

HOLOPLOT X1 blends line array and electronic beamsteering technology for complete sound control. Empowered creative freedom for your boldest audio concepts.

holoplot.com

I can dig it.
We've seen Cardiod Speakers, Beam forming... I've seen Radar Theory applied to a Speaker design...
Let's call it a gut instinct to laugh at something with that many drivers crammed into it.
Like a Tekton Ulfbert at 1/20 scale.

It would be cool to experience something like the link you posted. I can imagine it being quite immersive with the proper processing capabilities. I'd also expect it to be on the pricey side, I fear.

 

[mhardy6647]

I've seen Radar Theory applied to a Speaker design...

Karlson

source:

RE: So what is it about the Karlsons? -1955 K8 and 1954 K15 plans - freddyi - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum

RE: So what is it about the Karlsons? -1955 K8 and 1954 K15 plans - freddyi - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum

www.audioasylum.com

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/download/1955-Karlson-speaker-brochure.pdf

 

[ryanosaur]

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Karlson

source:

RE: So what is it about the Karlsons? -1955 K8 and 1954 K15 plans - freddyi - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum

RE: So what is it about the Karlsons? -1955 K8 and 1954 K15 plans - freddyi - High Efficiency Speaker Asylum

www.audioasylum.com

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/download/1955-Karlson-speaker-brochure.pdf

Cool.
I remember this coming up a bit ago:

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/radical-speaker-design.3053246/

 

[billyjoebob]

So the filter costs $ 209,10 a pair

Get the miniDSP!

Not to be a d**k, but why would someone take your advice over the manufacturer here.
Assuming a typo and you meant to say $209.10, what is the manufacturers motivation for their statement. It dont appear to be financial.
Fwiw, I don't use any product listed.
Just really curious.

 

[voodooless]

Not to be a d**k, but why would someone take your advice over the manufacturer here.

You should do neither. Just look at the information present and make up your own mind.

Assuming a typo and you meant to say $209.10, what is the manufacturers motivation for their statement. It dont appear to be financial.

Of course, it is! Those $200 in parts are the highest margin parts of the whole kit.

 

[TheBatsEar]

Not to be a d**k, but why would someone take your advice over the manufacturer here.

Well, some of us have experience with MiniDSP and 40€ wideband speakers. A 210€ filter will not make this 40€ speaker into a racing car. Neither will a MiniDSP, but you can sell the MiniDSP on or use it for other projects.

Assuming a typo and you meant to say $209.10

Surely you meant 209,10€?

what is the manufacturers motivation for their statement. It dont appear to be financial.

The fundamental statement is in the first post, i asked if a MiniDSP wouldn't be a better solution than the pricey filter. The manufacturer said no, MiniDSP sucks the life out of music. This is not peoples experience around here.

Why? So you buy his filter.

 

[amirm]

Not to be a d**k, but why would someone take your advice over the manufacturer here.

Because the manufacturer has a track record of wanting to sell a bunch of crossover parts. He might as well close shop the day he supports a DSP.

Assuming a typo and you meant to say $209.10, what is the manufacturers motivation for their statement. It dont appear to be financial.
Fwiw, I don't use any product listed.
Just really curious.

It is not a typo. Some countries use comma as a decimal point.

 

[Pogre]

Not to be a d**k, but why would someone take your advice over the manufacturer here.
Assuming a typo and you meant to say $209.10, what is the manufacturers motivation for their statement. It dont appear to be financial.
Fwiw, I don't use any product listed.
Just really curious.

Doesn't appear financial?? He's selling them! He doesn't do everything for free!

 

[billyjoebob]

Doesn't appear financial?? He's selling them! He doesn't do everything for free!

I didn't really see $200 as much of a windfall.

 

[billyjoebob]

Well, some of us have experience with MiniDSP and 40€ wideband speakers. A 210€ filter will not make this 40€ speaker into a racing car. Neither will a MiniDSP, but you can sell the MiniDSP on or use it for other projects.


Surely you meant 209,10€?


The fundamental statement is in the first post, i asked if a MiniDSP wouldn't be a better solution than the pricey filter. The manufacturer said no, MiniDSP sucks the life out of music. This is not peoples experience around here.

Why? So you buy his filter.

But the filter is not "required" unless more than 12watts is applied?
No?

 

[TheBatsEar]

But the filter is not "required" unless more than 12watts is applied?
No?

I don't understand?

The purpose of the filter is to fix the frequency response of the 40€ wideband driver. It has nothing to do with input power. The high price for the filter is caused by the amount of parts needed to fix the wideband driver and the "audiophool" quality of the parts.

 

[Pogre]

I didn't really see $200 as much of a windfall.

I did not come anywhere even close to suggesting it was a windfall. You said not for profit, I disagree.

A pack of bubble gum isn't a windfall either, but companies still sell it for profit...

 

[billyjoebob]

I don't understand?

The purpose of the filter is to fix the frequency response of the 40€ wideband driver. It has nothing to do with input power. The high price for the filter is caused by the amount of parts needed to fix the wideband driver and the "audiophool" quality of the parts.

When I watched the video, it said the filter was needed to prevent damage to the driver at peaks of 25w, and the filter allowed up to 50w.

As far as audiophool, I would buy from a company that I believed was deceiving me in the 1st place.
So you trust the speaker, just not the filter?

 

[billyjoebob]

Because the manufacturer has a track record of wanting to sell a bunch of crossover parts. He might as well close shop the day he supports a DSP.

Then why even purchase from a manufacturer that has a track record of such?

 

[Pogre]

Then why even purchase from a manufacturer that has a track record of such?

THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT MOST OF US ARE MAKING HERE...

 

[billyjoebob]

THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT MOST OF US ARE MAKING HERE...

No. It appears (to me) not to buy the crossover/filter.

 

[Pogre]

No. It appears (to me) not to buy the crossover/filter.

Not from a dubious manufacturer who makes dubious claims that aren't supported by evidence...

 

[TheBatsEar]

When I watched the video, it said the filter was needed to prevent damage to the driver at peaks of 25w, and the filter allowed up to 50w.

That's right, now i understand what you meant.
The filter also removes lower frequencies the tiny wideband driver can't reproduce anyway.

But this and fixing the frequency response could be done better with a MiniDSP.

So you trust the speaker, just not the filter?

Not really, no. Tiny wideband speakers can be fun as a first project, but they are very much limited in every metrik. High distortion, bad frequency response, bad dispersion, low max SPL.

Add the price for the filter. Add the case. You are now at several hundred bucks. The entire proposal is a bad deal, only one winner, which is Danny. Hence his aversion to DSP ;-).

THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT MOST OF US ARE MAKING HERE...

Step back from the keyboard if it all gets a bit much. Simple as. But i feel your pain.