Genelec 83x0 vs 83x1

[vocalisto]

That is weird

yea this is really strange.. Could this maybe have something to do with room acoustic issues? 8320's are on my Desktop equilateral triangle 83cm and 8361's on Speaker Stands behind the Desk near the front wall symmetrically placement
equilateral triangle 170cm.

If I compare those two by listening the 8320 is more forward in your face playing while the 61 are more laidback and smooth playing. Bass Extension and Stereo Image is wider and bigger of course on the 61 but I can listen to quiet Elements in the Music easier on the 8320 and this is confusing me a bit right now..

But as you can see there are not a lot of Cancelations on my 8361's..



and Screenshots of the 8320's here:

 

[temps]

yea this is really strange.. Could this maybe have something to do with room acoustic issues? 8320's are on my Desktop equilateral triangle 83cm and 8361's on Speaker Stands behind the Desk near the front wall symmetrically placement
equilateral triangle 170cm.

If I compare those two by listening the 8320 is more forward in your face playing while the 61 are more laidback and smooth playing. Bass Extension and Stereo Image is wider and bigger of course on the 61 but I can listen to quiet Elements in the Music easier on the 8320 and this is confusing me a bit right now..

But as you can see there are not a lot of Cancelations on my 8361's..

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and Screenshots of the 8320's here:

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that would be the off-axis vertical performance difference between a fully coaxial speaker and a traditional 2 way, I believe. Amir's spin for 8330 shows vertical issues for the 8330. These sum fine to far field, but this will not be true for you sitting so nearfield.

1khz is very busy for almost all program material. It being broadly sucked out at your listening position with the 8320s may be making it easier to hear things happening elsewhere in the spectrum. With practice you should be able to get around that effect. You also have 2khz emphasis on the 8320s which again, very busy and critical area for all material. This would explain a lot of the "in your face" sound that the 8361s don't have because they are de-emphasized on the 8361s

 

[vocalisto]

that would be the off-axis vertical performance difference between a fully coaxial speaker and a traditional 2 way, I believe. Amir's spin for 8330 shows vertical issues for the 8330. These sum fine to far field, but this will not be true for you sitting so nearfield.

1khz is very busy for almost all program material. It being broadly sucked out at your listening position with the 8320s may be making it easier to hear things happening elsewhere in the spectrum. With practice you should be able to get around that effect. You also have 2khz emphasis on the 8320s which again, very busy and critical area for all material. This would explain a lot of the "in your face" sound that the 8361s don't have because they are de-emphasized on the 8361s

Can you explain that a little bit more? Genelec claim the 8361's could be also used in the very near field on minimum distances around 60cm up to 4-5 Meters far field. Would it make a difference if I'm placing the Speakers horizontally? Or maybe to make a bigger Stereo Triangle from 170 to 180cm? I think I'll have to try it out.

What I'm also missing on the 61's is the Depth. They are very wide and bright but where is my depth? I don't really dare to say that but Instrument Seperation is also better on the 8320 right now. I can clearly notice quiet Elements like Strings accompaniment or seperate Backing Vocals and this is confusing me a bit because I would expect these properties from the 61 too and much better.
Maybe the 8361 need more Room Treatment or I get some comb filter Effects of my big Desk. I really don't know..

 

[temps]

Can you explain that a little bit more? Genelec claim the 8361's could be also used in the very near field on minimum distances around 60cm up to 4-5 Meters far field. Would it make a difference if I'm placing the Speakers horizontally? Or maybe to make a bigger Stereo Triangle from 170 to 180cm? I think I'll have to try it out.

What I'm also missing on the 61's is the Depth. They are very wide and bright but where is my depth? I don't really dare to say that but Instrument Seperation is also better on the 8320 right now. I can clearly notice quiet Elements like Strings accompaniment or seperate Backing Vocals and this is confusing me a bit because I would expect these properties from the 61 too and much better.
Maybe the 8361 need more Room Treatment or I get some comb filter Effects of my big Desk. I really don't know..

Well, I don't know. Looking at the measurements, the 8361s look a lot better than the 8320s to me. Is the room completely untreated?

 

[vocalisto]

Well, I don't know. Looking at the measurements, the 8361s look a lot better than the 8320s to me. Is the room completely untreated?

No I've got 15 Basotect and 6 Real Traps Absorbers here. But the Ceiling is untreated and I've got no big Bass Traps in the Corners

 

[ivity]

Hi,

Maybe you can give me an advice for suitable Genelec model.

I have 3.3m * 3.8m * 2.6m (33 m3) room and nearfield monitoring (1.5 m).

The room is moderately treated with broadband acoustic panels (100mm rockwool), but nothing super fancy (no bass traps and ceiling cloud).

My main occupation is sound design for games and film (and maybe just a little bit of game/tv music production).
Unfortunately, i have no opporunity to check all models in my space, so i should decide what to pick and just stick to it.

Do you have some advices what to pick: 8340, 8350, 8331 or 8341 for my room specs?

I can see 8350 as best choice for my needs (SPL and low end extension), but as mentioned before, its more for midfield and i'm not sure how it will work for my 1.5m listening distance. Another option is 8341, which is great for nearfield, but its a serious ammount of money, so i'm not totally sure about that...

As i understand 8340 is also not a really good option, because of tweeter and woofer size missmatch.
And with 8331...seems its a bit small for my needs.

So this dilemma is just driving me nuts )

 

[vocalisto]

Hi,

Maybe you can give me an advice for suitable Genelec model.

I have 3.3m * 3.8m * 2.6m (33 m3) room and nearfield monitoring (1.5 m).

The room is moderately treated with broadband acoustic panels (100mm rockwool), but nothing super fancy (no bass traps and ceiling cloud).

My main occupation is sound design for games and film (and maybe just a little bit of game/tv music production).
Unfortunately, i have no opporunity to check all models in my space, so i should decide what to pick and just stick to it.

Do you have some advices what to pick: 8340, 8350, 8331 or 8341 for my room specs?

I can see 8350 as best choice for my needs (SPL and low end extension), but as mentioned before, its more for midfield and i'm not sure how it will work for my 1.5m listening distance. Another option is 8341, which is great for nearfield, but its a serious ammount of money, so i'm not totally sure about that...

As i understand 8340 is also not a really good option, because of tweeter and woofer size missmatch.
And with 8331...seems its a bit small for my needs.

So this dilemma is just driving me nuts )

I would go for 8350! I think it's the best bang for the Buck and there is no issue to use them on 1.5m distance. I've got the 8050's for over a decade and it was the best purchase I've ever made! The only thing i regret about it is that I didn't bought the DSP SAM Version back in the days. I've bought 8361's from The Ones Series and even with those big Monitors you can listen very close to them around 60cm minimum.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I would go for 8350! I think it's the best bang for the Buck and there is no issue to use them on 1.5m distance. I've got the 8050's for over a decade and it was the best purchase I've ever made! The only thing i regret about it is that I didn't bought the DSP SAM Version back in the days. I've bought 8361's from The Ones Series and even with those big Monitors you can listen very close to them around 60cm minimum.

Can you compare 8050B to 8361A?
Thanks

 

[ivity]

Thanks for your detailed answer!
And another question: i saw several comments about woofer and tweeter sizes missmatch in 8340.
I mean 8340 has the same tweeter size as 8320 and 8330, but at the same time has much more juice in terms of tweeter and woofer power.
So, is it so bad, or better just stick to 8350 instead, which has larger tweeter and woofer?

 

[Pearljam5000]

Thanks for your detailed answer!
And another question: i saw several comments about woofer and tweeter sizes missmatch in 8340.
I mean 8340 has the same tweeter size as 8320 and 8330, but at the same time has much more juice in terms of tweeter and woofer power.
So, is it so bad, or better just stick to 8350 instead, which has larger tweeter and woofer?

Get the 8350 and be done for life

 

[ivity]

Get the 8350 and be done for life

will do! thank you so much!

 

[Pearljam5000]

will do! thank you so much!

Or save up some more and get the 8351B lol

 

[Hephaestus]

Can you explain that a little bit more? Genelec claim the 8361's could be also used in the very near field on minimum distances around 60cm up to 4-5 Meters far field. Would it make a difference if I'm placing the Speakers horizontally? Or maybe to make a bigger Stereo Triangle from 170 to 180cm? I think I'll have to try it out.

What I'm also missing on the 61's is the Depth. They are very wide and bright but where is my depth? I don't really dare to say that but Instrument Seperation is also better on the 8320 right now. I can clearly notice quiet Elements like Strings accompaniment or seperate Backing Vocals and this is confusing me a bit because I would expect these properties from the 61 too and much better.
Maybe the 8361 need more Room Treatment or I get some comb filter Effects of my big Desk. I really don't know..

There is something interesting happening in your room. Your midrange and treble has some bumps and dips.

Here is in room measurement of my 8361A, in normal living room with one broadband panel behind listening seat:

1/6 oct smoothing. EQ used only below 450Hz. Scale 50db.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I don't know why... but I hear Things on my 8320's that I don't noticed on my 8361's... This is very strange.. it shouldn't be like that.. it should be the oposite..

Any update on this issue?
Do you still feel the 8320 is better than 8361A?

 

[Tangband]

Thanks for your detailed answer!
And another question: i saw several comments about woofer and tweeter sizes missmatch in 8340.
I mean 8340 has the same tweeter size as 8320 and 8330, but at the same time has much more juice in terms of tweeter and woofer power.
So, is it so bad, or better just stick to 8350 instead, which has larger tweeter and woofer?

I have had 8330 in my listening room for three days done some measurements and I own 8340.
They sound and measure VERY similar but the 8340 can play louder and goes deeper in bass.

Iˋm afraid the comments of missmatch of element is incorrect . The 8340 has a crossover frequency slightly lower than the 8330 speakers. But they dont sound worse because of that, they sound better/or the same . There is better amplification inbuilt in 8340, one of the things thats better than 8330. The 8340 goes down 10 Hz deeper and can play a lot louder to.

If there was something like missmatch , then the 8350 would be even worse, since it uses a big 8 inch bassunit combined with a small 1 inch tweeter. And thats not the case, the 8350 sounds better/or the same as both 8330 and 8340 , But the 8350 can play louder and goes deeper.

The soundquality of the Genelecs reflects the price. More expensive - the better the sound and with higher spl .

In my opinion , if you are an audiophile , you should drive the 83xx series with a digital source and digital output to the Genelecs to gain the best quality - before even thinking about buying more expensive 83xx speakers.
Im my testing - the 8330 with digital input sounds better and a bit clearer than 8340 with analog input, and 8340 with digital input sounds better and a bit clearer than 8330 with analog input.

Below is two of the measurements of 8330 , one on axis and the other 15 degrees of axis.
I cant see any peak at 1,8 kHz such as Amirm measured.
As I used a sine-sweep in my room, the measurements are only accurate from 1 kHz and upwards. The mics used was line audio om1, accurate +-1 dB 20-20000 Hz.

 

[ivity]

Thank you for detailed answer! It was very helpful!

 

[DuncanDirkDick]

I don't think the 8331 is worth considering unless it is an arm's length away. When I demo'd them at dealer from a few feet away, they were near clipping with dynamic music at comfortable listening level. The purpose of that model is ultra tight spaces. If the 8351B was released when I was shopping, I would have got that instead.

Tried that today at home. I own the 8331 and a friend lent me his 8341. With dynamic and bass heavy music, I got neither to clip at reasonable levels (for me that's 95db at 0.7m LP, 16sqm treated room). I couldn't test with glm though, so maybe there's an argument for 8341 over 8331? 8331 v 8330 is something I want to try next.

 

[Senior NEET Engineer]

Tried that today at home. I own the 8331 and a friend lent me his 8341. With dynamic and bass heavy music, I got neither to clip at reasonable levels (for me that's 95db at 0.7m LP, 16sqm treated room). I couldn't test with glm though, so maybe there's an argument for 8341 over 8331? 8331 v 8330 is something I want to try next.

The song that hit limit was from Jurassic Park soundtrack. Forgot which one.

 

[Nehi]

I have had 8330 in my listening room for three days done some measurements and I own 8340.
They sound and measure VERY similar but the 8340 can play louder and goes deeper in bass.

Iˋm afraid the comments of missmatch of element is incorrect . The 8340 has a crossover frequency slightly lower than the 8330 speakers. But they dont sound worse because of that, they sound better/or the same . There is better amplification inbuilt in 8340, one of the things thats better than 8330. The 8340 goes down 10 Hz deeper and can play a lot louder to.

If there was something like missmatch , then the 8350 would be even worse, since it uses a big 8 inch bassunit combined with a small 1 inch tweeter. And thats not the case, the 8350 sounds better/or the same as both 8330 and 8340 , But the 8350 can play louder and goes deeper.

The soundquality of the Genelecs reflects the price. More expensive - the better the sound and with higher spl .

In my opinion , if you are an audiophile , you should drive the 83xx series with a digital source and digital output to the Genelecs to gain the best quality - before even thinking about buying more expensive 83xx speakers.
Im my testing - the 8330 with digital input sounds better and a bit clearer than 8340 with analog input, and 8340 with digital input sounds better and a bit clearer than 8330 with analog input.

Below is two of the measurements of 8330 , one on axis and the other 15 degrees of axis.
I cant see any peak at 1,8 kHz such as Amirm measured.
As I used a sine-sweep in my room, the measurements are only accurate from 1 kHz and upwards. The mics used was line audio om1, accurate +-1 dB 20-20000 Hz.

I am a bit late to the party but I have been following the thread.

I was in the same dilemma last year in trying to decide whether to save up for the 8331/41 over the 8340 with a 7360 Sub. I got a great price on the sub and decided to go 8340 pair + 7360 sub. I was also able to demo a pair of 8341s. Your assessments are spot on. Driven with an Apollo Interface - the differences are there but honestly not worth the extra $$$ unless you have the budget. My room is well treated and decent sized, I could hear all the details I needed with the 8340s and 7360 Sub. They definitely raised my mixing levels up considerably. I feel spending the extra $$$$ may not be the most cost effective expenditure especially in home studios. That $$$ can be put towards improving DAC/Interface and room acoustics. I invested in proper bass traps and I treated my back wall. I am more than satisfied. Happy to hear anyone else's thoughts.

 

[Pearljam5000]

I am a bit late to the party but I have been following the thread.

I was in the same dilemma last year in trying to decide whether to save up for the 8331/41 over the 8340 with a 7360 Sub. I got a great price on the sub and decided to go 8340 pair + 7360 sub. I was also able to demo a pair of 8341s. Your assessments are spot on. Driven with an Apollo Interface - the differences are there but honestly not worth the extra $$$ unless you have the budget. My room is well treated and decent sized, I could hear all the details I needed with the 8340s and 7360 Sub. They definitely raised my mixing levels up considerably. I feel spending the extra $$$$ may not be the most cost effective expenditure especially in home studios. That $$$ can be put towards improving DAC/Interface and room acoustics. I invested in proper bass traps and I treated my back wall. I am more than satisfied. Happy to hear anyone else's thoughts.

Could you describe the differences between how 8340 and 8341 sounded?
Thanks