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Fosi v3 Mono - User Impressions | Owner's Thread

Question from a real novice here. What are the gain settings of 25db and 31db for? They are set to 31db by default. What would be the various reasons for changing them and should I play around with them to see how they impact my set up?

I'm using a WiiM Pro Plus that feed a Kef KC62 sub that then feeds the high pass filtered frequencies to the Fosi Audio V3 monos.
 
Question from a real novice here. What are the gain settings of 25db and 31db for? They are set to 31db by default. What would be the various reasons for changing them and should I play around with them to see how they impact my set up?

I'm using a WiiM Pro Plus that feed a Kef KC62 sub that then feeds the high pass filtered frequencies to the Fosi Audio V3 monos.
That’s the level of amplification. Treat it like volume granularity control. Assuming your WiiM streamer is being used to control volume, if you feel that the jumps between settings is fine, don’t change gain setting. If you feel volume jumps too much between settings, change amps to +25dB for finer volume control.

You’ll need to adjust your subwoofer’s volume level to match if you change that.

-Ed
 
I'm in a fairly small room so the cable lengths aren't too bad. I think they are 2m RCAs from the WiiM to the sub and 2m RCAs from the sub to the Fosi's. Is that likely to cause issues?
4m of RCA - on the long side definitely. But it depends on if there are ground loop currents or not. If there are, then the noise voltage will go up proportionally to the length of the cable.
 
It means that I'm now getting stereo in reverse
You don't have to go reverse stereo, just swap the speaker cables and you'll have a proper left-right arrangement.
 
I am happy with my V3Ms and still not got round to testing the MUSE02 op amps yet. I saw this mod on the Fosi Audio Global Community Facebook and was curious on what others thought of adding / replacing some of the capacitors? https://www.facebook.com/share/p/TUTkPGtb8weheSke/
 
like one of the comment says ;)

"It's always interesting, that random mods ALWAYS gives better results... never bad....Surely it's not brain bias!"
 
like one of the comment says ;)

"It's always interesting, that random mods ALWAYS gives better results... never bad....Surely it's not brain bias!"
Yes, but not that insightful or helpful and the original poster replied "For sure all my modifications were not always making the sound better. What you read here is the modifications that I kept and that works to improve the sound." Moreover, this does not sound like a random mod to me....well, reading his explanation does not lead me to that conclusion

I was interested in understanding other peoples experience & expertise with similar modifications, are they with merit? An extract of the FB post about the modifications and improvements this person made are:

Now here is the area of improvement for the power in the V3 monos and why:
Electrolytic capacitors are not fast enough to deliver enough energy for the high frequencies. Ok, some smaller value faster capacitors are found on the board, but my finding was - by adding a superfast 1 uF X2 capacitor parallel to each of the two big capacitors it significantly improved the sound - significantly! It was a wow moment! It is the yellow capacitors in the picture of the above view of the board and a closeup picture.
How could this be that it made such a big improvement?
It is feeding a class D amplifier, a pulse switching amplifier. Because the output is very fast switching pulses and not just switching according to the music, it is imperative to have enough big superfast capacitors for the TDA3255 to create exact, fast and powerful pulses. That power chip switches up to 100.000 times per second! The pulses are longer or shorter, depending on the music, and then filtered to smoothen out the pulses to become music (or whatever signal you input.)
On the other power rails having lower voltages I put a small ceramic capacitor parallel to each electrolytic capacitor, intended to give the circuits enough fast energy to reproduce the micro details in the music. They are small enough to easily be soldered on the bottom of the board to the pins of these capacitors (the blue ones in the bottom view picture).
Then I inspected the signal path. As I only use the balanced input, being the best input on the V3 monos, I only upgraded the balanced signal path.
There are used good quality electrolytic capacitors. These are good, but not the best. I decided to change each electrolytic capacitor to Wima red film capacitors. Yes, they are more expensive and would raise the cost of the unit, but soundwise still worth it. The electrolytic value is 10 uF and what I could barely fit in was 4.7 uF Wima film capacitors. Doing so could risk to make the bass become less strong. But after testing I found no reduction to notice at all, and my speakers play all the way down...
I changed 4 but not the 3 ones for RCA input only. They should preferably also be upgraded. The ones I changed are the red squared ones on the top view picture.
Now testing and comparing my modified V3 monos with my big class A/B amps was giving me shivers! Wow, now we're talking high end! Now the Fosi Audio V3 monos are better than my big mono blocks!!
 
Yes, but not that insightful or helpful and the original poster replied "For sure all my modifications were not always making the sound better. What you read here is the modifications that I kept and that works to improve the sound." Moreover, this does not sound like a random mod to me....well, reading his explanation does not lead me to that conclusion

I was interested in understanding other peoples experience & expertise with similar modifications, are they with merit? An extract of the FB post about the modifications and improvements this person made are:

Now here is the area of improvement for the power in the V3 monos and why:
Electrolytic capacitors are not fast enough to deliver enough energy for the high frequencies. Ok, some smaller value faster capacitors are found on the board, but my finding was - by adding a superfast 1 uF X2 capacitor parallel to each of the two big capacitors it significantly improved the sound - significantly! It was a wow moment! It is the yellow capacitors in the picture of the above view of the board and a closeup picture.
How could this be that it made such a big improvement?
It is feeding a class D amplifier, a pulse switching amplifier. Because the output is very fast switching pulses and not just switching according to the music, it is imperative to have enough big superfast capacitors for the TDA3255 to create exact, fast and powerful pulses. That power chip switches up to 100.000 times per second! The pulses are longer or shorter, depending on the music, and then filtered to smoothen out the pulses to become music (or whatever signal you input.)
On the other power rails having lower voltages I put a small ceramic capacitor parallel to each electrolytic capacitor, intended to give the circuits enough fast energy to reproduce the micro details in the music. They are small enough to easily be soldered on the bottom of the board to the pins of these capacitors (the blue ones in the bottom view picture).
Then I inspected the signal path. As I only use the balanced input, being the best input on the V3 monos, I only upgraded the balanced signal path.
There are used good quality electrolytic capacitors. These are good, but not the best. I decided to change each electrolytic capacitor to Wima red film capacitors. Yes, they are more expensive and would raise the cost of the unit, but soundwise still worth it. The electrolytic value is 10 uF and what I could barely fit in was 4.7 uF Wima film capacitors. Doing so could risk to make the bass become less strong. But after testing I found no reduction to notice at all, and my speakers play all the way down...
I changed 4 but not the 3 ones for RCA input only. They should preferably also be upgraded. The ones I changed are the red squared ones on the top view picture.
Now testing and comparing my modified V3 monos with my big class A/B amps was giving me shivers! Wow, now we're talking high end! Now the Fosi Audio V3 monos are better than my big mono blocks!!
15% chance in sound improvement, 85% chance in wrecking the amp.

Hard pass.

-Ed
 
The guy changed the "fast enough" capacitors, which do not cause sound distortion, to "even faster", which do not cause distortion even more (I do not know what specific parameter is responsible for this and I did not find out) - which caused huge differences, hm.
Then he replaced other capacitors with simply more expensive ones, but with smaller capacity, and of course this remained without negative impact on the sound, what convenience xD Of course, his ears will testify to all these revelations. eh.
 
The guy changed the "fast enough" capacitors, which do not cause sound distortion, to "even faster", which do not cause distortion even more (I do not know what specific parameter is responsible for this and I did not find out) - which caused huge differences, hm.
Then he replaced other capacitors with simply more expensive ones, but with smaller capacity, and of course this remained without negative impact on the sound, what convenience xD Of course, his ears will testify to all these revelations. eh.
If someone's in the group please tell them to save the money and get a nicer,modern amp (TPA3255 is now close to 10 year old,that's ancient history in electronics) .
The sole best parameter of this amp is the price,if someone ruin this ratio is left with nothing.
 
I am using my 2 Fosi V3M with 5vPS to drive my Dipol/Open Baffle bass section (2x SBA 15OB350) at 4 Ohms for the 35 - 250 hz range, and I feel these are a great match for that task. I have used both, a PSA S300 and XTZ 300 (as mono blocks) before, and I wouldn't want to go back there atm. The 250-20khz @ 8Ohm (TB-W1772) are served by a Topping PA5II, another TA chip driven device.

The only thing I am not so happy about is the plop noise I'll get when I kill off current by the smart plugs. I might restrict that option to the summer months only ...

I received - ironically - one 10 feet XLR cable and one OPamp, thus if anyone would love to exchange his XLR cable for an OP Amp swap project, I'd be ready to serve.
Europe. Preferably France. PM me.

Edit: I have connected the Mono's with ultra short speaker cables (Oehlbach Jumper) and 5m XLR cables, the device sits on a 10x12 heat sink.
 
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It's newer, but is it better? First it's not a chip, right? ;)

You pay 5 times more for like a 5dB SINAD gain and tones of useless power in typical medium room - completely pointles ;)
You asked for newer and better. I never said how much better or if it’s actually worth it.

-Ed
 
Fosi V3 Mono frequency response:
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You asked for newer and better. I never said how much better or if it’s actually worth it.

Something isn't better if it's more then 50% costlier. it is better and costlier, but not better ;)

@NTK: the definition of virtual benefits in two pics :)

for only 400 bucks!
 
Something isn't better if it's more then 50% costlier. it is better and costlier, but not better ;)

@NTK: the definition of virtual benefits in two pics :)

for only 400 bucks!
You asked for examples of better, and you were given examples. Now you are saying it doesn't fit your definition of better. Very trollish.
 
You asked for examples of better, and you were given examples. Now you are saying it doesn't fit your definition of better. Very trollish.

the example you gave is literally the definition of no benefit. A similar situation occurs when you can buy a 16-core processor to play games that support two cores. Is this processor better? Theoretically yes, practically no. So my definition is if something is practically better and not virtually better, not very trolling but very rational.
 
I think that these last points are all valid. I think capacitor modding is a difficult topic for this thread without measurements though...


It is a moot point as to how subjective people sometimes get with the word "better"! Yes I know we can quote measurements but actually owning a V3 mono would be a good start, and doing a comparison to another more expensive amplifier would be a very good second step.

This would give us a bit more of a yardstick for the price / performance level of the Fosi V3 monos on this user impressions and owners thread...
 
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