It's not silly at all, I'm talking about the measurements - if you instead want to rather believe what a few people say in terms of their subjective reviews then you're free to do so, but that is actually a dose more silly (to use your word). We're on ASR, not Head-fi. Anyway, I was instead rather more making a point & example of @Cylphio's ridiculous exclamations about his headphone & the Harman Curve rather than steadfastly saying the HD560s is a better headphone than the Focal Clear - but the measurements are better, and I'd be inclined to pay more attention to them vs subjective reviews.
Doesn't focal know how the clear will interact with people and genres? Ahahah! Such a statement from a member of a group who speaks of objectivity as a dogma And equalizes all the models to a single (wrong) target with expectations of excellence at various (unlistenable) volumes!!! Go figure if a listener must adequate the eq to every genre!!! It's not a listener job, it's a master engineer one!
That's what one would expect but.... here enters the circle of confusion and voila... enter the old fashion tone controls from the past which allows listeners to A: tune sound to their taste and B: correct for incorrectly made/mastered/mixed recordings C: correct for listening SPL D: correct for seal issues in a quick manner.
When you are out in a concert, the sound that reaches your ear drum is filtered and shaped by your head and ears to a tonality which your brain is used to and can equalize for, and perceives as natural. When you are using a headphone however, you are no longer exposed to that tonality, certain frequencies get amplified, certain frequencies get attenuated so the FR of a headphone almost always varies between people.
The food analogy is problematic, but I think the closest we can get to making it work is to say that a headphone that closely tracks the Harman curve with low distortion is like a great buffet with a wide selection of food. A headphone that doesn't track the curve and/or has problematic resonances or distortion is like a buffet that only serves scallops. Fine if all you want to eat is scallops, I guess, but the overwhelming majority of people are going to be happier at the buffet that serves food most people like and gives them the ability to further select and refine from there.
Yes, I'll let you correct what your chest and belly do to your perception. It will be a long work with no directions, and it will be very arbitrary and subjective. At a certain point you can think you've done it perfectly, better than sean olive and focal themselves. You will correct every error just with your ears, thinking that measurement aren't everything but... you are on the wrong forum unless you have scientifically measured every variant in your perception.
A headphones that closely tracks the Harman curve is abysmal, like a macdonald. A headphone that does a better job is a more refined restaurant. A headphone that distort at 104 db trying to emulate that rude discotheque of the harman curve is a great chef cooking the menu of mcdonald, pathetic. Yo-yo ma playing david guetta.
You have contributed absolutely nothing of value in any of your posts. Ignored.
Very good word: and who ignore is the...
Before you go any further.. across most of the important frequency range, above 300 Hz to 8 kHz, this headphone is actually close to the Harman range. For all I can tell, you are one of the, er, 100% that prefer Harman curve response in that range according to Olive:
I prefer -10 db, for me it's a "no bass is better"
Are you joking? 104 db? What is this, an attempt to suicide? A long exposure to 85 db damages hearing permanently!
Yes, Amir does a good job making the measurements and giving the mass what they want, but it is an incomplete job, the more scientifically relevant diffuse field curve is required. Regarding me, not being one of the mass following a curve made from the majority (trap, edm listeners) is not a crime.
I will not equalize one of the best result in headphone market. Every deviation is wanted and create a more immersive experience for me. What you call wonkyness is perfect to let the voices survive to intense instrumental parts, what you call brightness is in the range of the correct amount of overtones, resulting too much only in wrong masters.
I'm not cursing harman, but this thread. Even not equalized the Clear is the best open headphone in the market, with the Arya, under 1000 euro. But the chinese take the praises of the forum because even as something not intended for the masses some edm listeners buy them because they can, and they obviously destroy their wonderful tuning wit a savage eq to emulate a K371 with no issues. The arya is a luxurious suv that can be driven in the mud, if you want. The clear is a porsche carrera, wonderful in the normal condition. But the web wants a drift in the mud just because they can and then piss un the remining pieces of a wonderful thing wrongly used.
That’s not how the Harman Target was derived. It corresponds strongly with what we hear from targets that aim to reproduce flat-measuring speakers in a semi-reflective room, targets which were derived from a procedure no less rigorous than what was used to determine the DF target, and then preference from a study group of ~280 people was sprinkled on top.
Thank for your specification. I am a psychologist, audio engineer, performer on stage and a passionate listener of every genre. I bless the choices of every guy who wants to align their taste to the masses, but simply don't describe every other perpective as flawed, because we all know that the mass wants pleasure without sacrifice and lettong decide the market drive us to an inevitable loss of quality in every aspect of our life. People need to be guided. We must be more trained that randomly picked people in a room to really understand masterpieces like unequalized Focal Clear OG or Hifiman Arya, or the perfection of stax 9000x or the fabulous Susvara, c'mon. In the beginning of my audio journey I also was in search of something capable of an harman like signature. It was a decade before that theories, but sennheiser really knew what hi fi was. The hd600 teached me a more refined way to listen to music. They means fidelity even today, but reading a review from amir that wants 10 db more bass from a 26 years old 38mm mylar driver is hilarious. There must be another reference in the forum, an harman combined like resolve at the famous shop, or crinacle's ief target can be better solution than... harman. C'mon, harman... used as a weapon to destroy the perfect tools for really trained ears?
You, sir, are an audiophile snob of the worst type. And not just an audiophile one, either, it seems. Preferring the sound of a different headphone or target is one thing, wanting to experience different headphones is another, both totally fine: but you aren't actually doing that.
Nah, I don't believe it. I think you are a troll.
