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End Game DIY Loudspeakers
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Don’t forget those magical 3-way KEF coaxes that are for in-wall!
KEF drivers can be bought and used in DIY. Accuton sells SOTA ceramics. SB Acoustics and SEAS have a fine range of graphene coated drivers. Scan Speak has been making top drivers for decades now. Multiple entry horns and ATH are far more advanced most people realize, still available for DIY, but as commercial products 30k is no where near enough.
The materials cost for a commercial speaker is about 10-20 % of the final price. Other factors are work (wages), logistics, retailers share and profit. It's obvious that you can save money if you can Do It Yourself (DIY), if you know what you are doing.
For the gallery effort here is my personally made DIY speaker set with dsp amps, totalled less than 4500 EUR. This is an end game set (for the most at least).
Pic taken while testing the woofer capabilities with separate amp, but it's designed to run from the plate amp in the upper box.
The materials cost for a commercial speaker is about 10-20 % of the final price. Other factors are work (wages), logistics, retailers share and profit. It's obvious that you can save money if you can Do It Yourself (DIY), if you know what you are doing.
For the gallery effort here is my personally made DIY speaker set with dsp amps, totalled less than 4500 EUR. This is an end game set (for the most at least).
Pic taken while testing the woofer capabilities with separate amp, but it's designed to run from the plate amp in the upper box.
Of course
Absolutely not true, not even a single genelec speaker approaches true minimum phase speaker since they don't use linear phase crossovers. Kii, GGNTKT use more advanced concepts and executions in their speakers like beamshaping using DSP.
I'd say what DIYers can do is alien level civilization in comparison to passive, coaxial KEF. DIYers do stuff like multiple entry waveguide, something you won't even find commercialy yet.
Maybe it's finally time for non DIYers to finally get honest and admit that they have no clue what they are talking about. Speaker building is absolutely not equivalent of building SpaceX rockets or Formula 1 cars, nor is there any mystic legendary knowledge monopolized by pro companies used in their creation. Remember every company even Genelec has to make a product that makes a sense in the market and that will make money. Sound will always be a step lower on the priority ladder for any commercial endeavor.
Guilty as charged.
Do you have an example of a DIY effort that would beat a 8361 in the Klippel NFS?
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What do you mean beat? If you're just talking about measuring better there are systems out there that best them, how would you suggest they designers go about proving it to you since they don't have a Klippel?
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I’m not Rednaxela, but forgetting Klippel what are some of the DIY designs you think are most impressive in terms of performance and that would compare favorably against 8361 or other top tier commercial designs?
Yes measuring better.
I can’t help that DIY-ers generally don’t have a Klippel but then again this was not my claim:
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I asked how you expect that comparison to happen because *you did* pose that question. ;)
"Better" is a relative term in need of some context. Compression/dynamic capability in 8361 is only good for its size, not in absolute terms. Any speaker with a compression driver or a large-format bass driver will do better here. In terms of directivity you'll find many speakers with better controlled directivity further down the frequency range simply due to wider baffle.
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There is little evidence that phase shift is audible in-room, and ever tinier evidence that phase shift has a negative effect on listener preference. And your statement about Genelec not approaching minimum phase is incorrect. They do linearize the phase of their crossovers.
Where? Honestly every time i mentioned 3D-printing or Aluminum milling to a DIY builder they changed the topic quickly. The closest I've ever seen someone making a custom waveguide was a plaster molding of a waveguide here of a Geddes design https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...constant-directivity-2-way-à-la-geddes.18685/
As for multiple entry waveguides not being a thing commercially, you're wrong too. Perlisten has been doing it for a long time already with great results.
Imma share this picture because it really sounds like you're not aware of how much work goes into these.
That's a 120 dB scale
This won't look pretty when properly scaled.Is this the same speaker? At least it has a 60 dB scale now. As I said, it doesn't look very pretty. What about the off-axis? Flat on-axis is easily done with EQ.
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Take a look here for Area 51: https://www.diyaudio.com/community/...-design-the-easy-way-ath4.338806/post-7203648
And the next version area 52 is coming soon
From this I conclude it’s gonna beat it in terms of bass extension. Which was your point right? One aspect would be enough as long as we don’t agree on the full set.
That's a pretty neat design!
I don't really think DIY'ers can't make an endgame system. It's just not that easy, takes knowledge and resources. Only a few are capable of creating really good systems, and those people spend considerable time and resources on these projects. Not just anyone can build these systems. Neither can just any company build an endgame speaker. Only a few really do.
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