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If i go coaxial i will surely check them out. did not think of this solution. Thank you
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Diy 3-Way Compact Monitor Vs 2-Way , Pros+Cons of each design.
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FWIW, I'm also working on a pair of small monitors. It'll be 2x Kartesian Sub120_vHP and 1x SB Acoustics Satori TW29RN. MTM configuration, bi-amped. I'm planning a relatively low crossover, since the woofers are likely to struggle first - I'm not planning on using a subwoofer.
The Kartesian woofers do very well in Klippel measurements, and hold up well them you throw some power at them. Might be worth a look.
Chris
The Kartesian woofers do very well in Klippel measurements, and hold up well them you throw some power at them. Might be worth a look.
Chris
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@DrSpan : If you have a KH80 and now want to build another near field monitor, I would suggest you choose 3-way mini monitor route. Even though the solution Kef coax + woofer is a great choice, overall the sound is not too far different from your KH80. After all tweeters of both speaker use waveguide, so directivity at treble is controlled but more narrow than 3-way monitor without waveguide.
Like you, I also plan to build a near-field monitor, but in small budget. I also want that it can translate to surround speaker in the future. After researching, my plan is using a BMR driver TEBM46 for midrange from 500 Hz to 3000 Hz and SB Acoustics SB26SCTN for treble. Their off-axis response is tracking each other nicely up to around 6kHz even at 60 degree off-axis.
For woofer, I uses SB17CAC since I have a pair lying around but you can use a long throw 6-7 inch driver like 18w/8434 or CA18RLY/CA18RNX for woofer. If you use subwoofer at 80 Hz, you can get away with sealed box. It is easier to design and has better group delay in bass compared to vented design.
Like you, I also plan to build a near-field monitor, but in small budget. I also want that it can translate to surround speaker in the future. After researching, my plan is using a BMR driver TEBM46 for midrange from 500 Hz to 3000 Hz and SB Acoustics SB26SCTN for treble. Their off-axis response is tracking each other nicely up to around 6kHz even at 60 degree off-axis.
For woofer, I uses SB17CAC since I have a pair lying around but you can use a long throw 6-7 inch driver like 18w/8434 or CA18RLY/CA18RNX for woofer. If you use subwoofer at 80 Hz, you can get away with sealed box. It is easier to design and has better group delay in bass compared to vented design.
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Sounds very interesting. Will keep that in mind.
Thanks for tuning in!
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Wishing you success! Sounds like fun
For me there is no listening without sub anymore. You can simply not replicate this kind of bass with any compact speaker.
i use Sub-Monitor combinations for the last 15 years and no going back from that
Talking about me , i dont want to build a 2xWoofer + 1Tweeter cause it will either be a 2.5 way or a Dàpollito 2 Way like in your case.
Because i sit very nearfield i don`t like speakers towering over me. I want them a bit lower than my head and tilted up a bit.
So they are always laying on their side , even if it has its disadvantages but i feel more free when i can look over the speakers when listening.
For me feeling comfortable is priority one.
Also i find the difference-price i pay small when it comes to stereo imaging at these distances.
The Dàpollito makes me feel weird when i see speakers which use a design specifically (and even more critically to be placed like this) made for Vertical placement to be laying on their sides somehow. It beats the idea completely somehow. i see it in studios so it won`t be that bad if you are not a religious audiophile but still….
Also it means that using these drivers you mention the smallest width would be around 40 cm or even 45cm. The neumann kh 80 are half of this. I find them the perfect size for my taste.
So all in all, no MtM for me but i like the design as such . I am going for ultra compact when i finally manage to decide …...anything at all
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Another coaxial option would be the Tang Band W4-2315. About 5" across and can work from 400Hz+ in a liter of volume or more. Nonsolospeakers sells it in Europe. I recently used it here, but these are 15 ltrs:
However, you seem to be on a kick more like these:
These Bottleships are the smallest 3way I've ever seen in 3.5 ltrs, and I built them. Lots of careful selections along the process, and it is passive xover. They sound great, have wide dispersion, and low distortion within their relative bandwidths. 4" Peerless SDS woofer, Audible Physics 2", and a simple Dayton ND20.
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If you want a 3" mid recommendation, I'd recommend the TB W3-2141. Any small 19/20mm will do.
However, you seem to be on a kick more like these:
These Bottleships are the smallest 3way I've ever seen in 3.5 ltrs, and I built them. Lots of careful selections along the process, and it is passive xover. They sound great, have wide dispersion, and low distortion within their relative bandwidths. 4" Peerless SDS woofer, Audible Physics 2", and a simple Dayton ND20.
"Bottleships"; The smallest DIY 3-ways I've built or seen...
I owe NickS (Ugly Woofer) for the light bulb on the name. He said they 'resemble putting a ship in a bottle'. Mix with Battleship, and voila! So, if you thought the Purveyor were small, these are shoehorned into HALF that volume. You likely now think I've sincerely lost my mind. These are the...
If you want a 3" mid recommendation, I'd recommend the TB W3-2141. Any small 19/20mm will do.
