That reads like it convolves at the native rate (up to 192k), i.e. Dirac does not reseample.
I imagine Roon's upsampling is high quality though, definitely compared to Win10/macOS.
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Dirac & Roon?
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That reads like it convolves at the native rate (up to 192k), i.e. Dirac does not reseample.
I imagine Roon's upsampling is high quality though, definitely compared to Win10/macOS.
I'm using the Dirac Live 2.0 plugin in SoundSource (from the makers of AudioHijack, but simpler/cheaper) on my Mac Mini and it works very well. I've noticed something odd, though.
If i run Audirvana, exclusive mode off, it controls the sample rate of SoundSource and the DL plugin perfectly. Local HiRes FLACs or MQA streaming from Tidal doing a software unfold, all good. Every song changes the sample rate as needed. And the sample rate is the "first unfold" SR, MQAs play at 24/96, etc.
But if i run the Tidal app, it requires exclusive mode ON in order to control the sample rate in SoundSource. And even then it seems to be the "not unfolded" sample rate. Ie, 44.1 or 48KHz. But SoundSource sample rate does change accordingly.
But if Tidal exclusive mode is ON, then the DL plugin won't work. If i turn Tidal exclusive mode off, then the plugin works, but the sample rate stays fixed and doesn't adapt to the song.
Why do the two apps behave differently?
If i run Audirvana, exclusive mode off, it controls the sample rate of SoundSource and the DL plugin perfectly. Local HiRes FLACs or MQA streaming from Tidal doing a software unfold, all good. Every song changes the sample rate as needed. And the sample rate is the "first unfold" SR, MQAs play at 24/96, etc.
But if i run the Tidal app, it requires exclusive mode ON in order to control the sample rate in SoundSource. And even then it seems to be the "not unfolded" sample rate. Ie, 44.1 or 48KHz. But SoundSource sample rate does change accordingly.
But if Tidal exclusive mode is ON, then the DL plugin won't work. If i turn Tidal exclusive mode off, then the plugin works, but the sample rate stays fixed and doesn't adapt to the song.
Why do the two apps behave differently?
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Can I ask how you know incoming sample rate is changing automatically with this Audirvana case?
Does SoundSource show you the 'incoming' sample rate?
Yep. The sample rate shown there changes with the file being played.
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https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series
Consider the minidsp SHD series. It is currently a roon ready product and has not yet been certified, but will soon be officially supported.
If the NAS is used as a roon core, Dirac and roon can be used without a PC or MAC.
Consider the minidsp SHD series. It is currently a roon ready product and has not yet been certified, but will soon be officially supported.
If the NAS is used as a roon core, Dirac and roon can be used without a PC or MAC.
Roon Ready or Roon Tested? I see it runs Volumio
That is indeed a nice solution.
The new Dirac Bass Control is supported?
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Dirac Bass Controll is not yet supported. But I am looking forward to it.
Below is the setting window of my minidsp SHD. As you can see it is roon ready.
The minidsp team is increasing roon compatibility through firmware. It will soon be certified by roon.
Has miniDSP confirmed Dirac Bass Control is coming to your SHD?
They confirmed free firmware update?
Just re-visiting this - check this out.
"Note 1: Exclusive audio should be disabled when using Audio Hijack as that bypasses their audio capture engine"
http://diracdocs.com/Roon_&_Dirac_Live_2.0.pdf
I assume same applies to Audirvana and SoundSource
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Also, what if you by-pass BlackHole ?
I though BlackHole is only required if you don't use something like AudioHijack or SoundSource?
From SoundSource, what happens if you just choose to 'redirect' sound directly from the applications (Tidal and Audirvana) instead of using Blackhole?
My DL trial is now over so i can't run it to verify, but i'm 99% sure Aurirvana had to be not in exclusive mode in order to run the DL plugin. This seemed acceptable as everything else functioned as expected.
Right, you no longer need BlackHole if you have SoundSource.
"No redirect" runs it through the SoundSource "main out" so if you have a plugin on the Main Out you want it set it that way. You have the option to run a plugin on the app specific channel as well, though. Instead of "No redirect" you can select an audio device to have the audio sent there directly. So the "redirect" is speaking to where this source is being routed TO.
I haven't consciously tried a youtube vid with DL enabled, although i must have watched a video during that time. I didn't notice anything significantly off.
I'm sending my speakers off to Amir for testing, but when they come back i'll likely pay up for DL 2.0. It was very good. I can test more then, prob 5 weeks or so.
I also noticed that with no plugin loaded (or plugin disabled), i can play an MQA track in either Tidal or Audirvana and as long as the SoundSource application volume is set to 100%, it'll pass through the MQA properly as indicated by my MQA decoder. If i set the volume to anythign else or load a plugin of course then SoundSource is modifyig the signal and i lose MQA. This is with the SoundSource application output set to "No Redirect" or directly to the audio device. So SoundSource is bitperfect as long as you don't mess with the signal which is good.
Right, you no longer need BlackHole if you have SoundSource.
"No redirect" runs it through the SoundSource "main out" so if you have a plugin on the Main Out you want it set it that way. You have the option to run a plugin on the app specific channel as well, though. Instead of "No redirect" you can select an audio device to have the audio sent there directly. So the "redirect" is speaking to where this source is being routed TO.
I haven't consciously tried a youtube vid with DL enabled, although i must have watched a video during that time. I didn't notice anything significantly off.
I'm sending my speakers off to Amir for testing, but when they come back i'll likely pay up for DL 2.0. It was very good. I can test more then, prob 5 weeks or so.
I also noticed that with no plugin loaded (or plugin disabled), i can play an MQA track in either Tidal or Audirvana and as long as the SoundSource application volume is set to 100%, it'll pass through the MQA properly as indicated by my MQA decoder. If i set the volume to anythign else or load a plugin of course then SoundSource is modifyig the signal and i lose MQA. This is with the SoundSource application output set to "No Redirect" or directly to the audio device. So SoundSource is bitperfect as long as you don't mess with the signal which is good.
Thanks!
I saw BlackHole was still an input in your SoundSource screenshot. That was the reason I asked.
Noted, seems to fall in line with Dirac's recommendation, as per quote I shared above
Oooh very exciting. Which speakers?
Thanks for this info! MQA is actually a great bit-perfect test so this is confirmation that SoundSource can operately bit perfectly. Otherwise you wouldn't get MQA showing on an MQA DAC.
Which MQA DAC are you using by the way?
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