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Has been tested on real loads/speakers including transients? --> NOLook at the beginning of the thread into Amir’s measurements
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Has been tested on real loads/speakers including transients? --> NOLook at the beginning of the thread into Amir’s measurements
What he in the video imagines hearing he does. It is what he experiences and his own subjective experiences are real, to him. In a blind test with the same sound level between the DACs, he would of course not be able to tell which is which.@DanielT
Hi
in simple terms ,you mean that a review does not always correspond to the actual/real experience?
but do you like the pma-600ne unit and pm6007 ?
just because even the review does rate the unit as poor or not terrible , it's not a bad amp at all , and well my english is pretty bad
thanks
HiWhat he in the video imagines hearing he does. It is what he experiences and his own subjective experiences are real, to him. In a blind test with the same sound level between the DACs, he would of course not be able to tell which is which.
So what does a subjective listening DAC test like in that video give you? Is what is being said something you would weigh into a decision about which of the two DACs you would choose?
but do you like the pma-600ne unit and pm6007 ? Bog standard relatively low power amps. They are what they are. I have nothing against a bog standard car, nor against an amp ditto.
If it's in good condition, it seems really nice.Hi
may I ask you what/which amp do you own?
about these units ,on many reviews ,they don't sound bog or muddy
about '80 DENON PMA 790 ,what do you think about it?
thanks
The look on vintage amps, receivers is what I like most about them. Had they looked like modern ditto I would of course just as well bought a new amp. In addition, new amplifiers measure better. The development within class D has been phenomenal in recent decades. Fortunately, everything that measures great doesn't have to be audible compared to what measures ok. Therefore, you, or at least I, can use nice old HiFi.@DanielT
yes I mean '82
ok , now i got it, Luxor 7082A is a gem , I really like vintage stuff , i like a Philsonic AK 635 '78 (could be find at a cheap price) and many speakers between '70-'90 , sadly there are very few users that can fix them
Speaking of what you said, I just remembered the thread below that I'm now linking to.@DanielT
Hi
I like vintage because there were build with top notch materials ,build with love to give the best audio experience and build quality and to last a lifetime
about the unit i was talking Denon PMA-600NE or Marantz pm6007 "I know lots of cheap plastic everywhere " and made in.... , just to have a cheap one to keep on the room often and not wasted the good vintage gear , just because it's hard to fix vintage gear
by the way I have tried yesterday a Maratz PM8006 or PM7000N , i don't remember the model but one of them , what i do remember the plastic between the frontal and lateral and I compared with a cheap one , and i could not hear any difference ,maybe because i was listening Van der Graaf Generator 's H To He, Who Am The Only One , a 1970 album , i like mostly progressive rock , old recordings , playing a cd and a cd ripped in flac with exact audio copy
HK330C another gem
It's interesting how very different people use very different methods to choose an amplifier. Some people use the A-B switchbox comparison method, some listen for a week or two and then swap out the amp for another and do 2 weeks more listening etc and others like me buy the beastyest, most high current, biggest baddest power supply amplifier with the most beefy unity gain stage/current amplification section amplifier that I can find for my money. I've never been let down using my method and I've discovered a couple of amps along that way that did turn out to actually have a noticeably different sound but near 100% of them sounded the same upon a switched comparison. Each to their own I guess and I think what matters most is that one may sit down and have a extended listening session and feel and think that it is comfortable and represents the best choice for them. I know I want to be able to listen for several+ hours at a time and be comfortable. The Denon PMA-600NE has some interesting specifications and unique power supply design although in real life practice it lacks some stuff and that prevents it from being a choice that I would choose. It's not horrible amplifier but it's just not my top choice.So, I was really into that Denon PMA-600NE, thinking it was gonna give me the best bang for my buck. But then, I was like, hold up, let's do some A/B tests to really figure out what's gonna rock my 2.1 system. Spent a few weeks doing these tests...
Checked out these amps: Yamaha A-S501, Rotel A11 Tribute, Denon PMA-600NE, Marantz PM6007. And for speakers, I had the ELAC Debut Reference DBR62, Revel M16, Klipsch RP-600M lined up. Subs : Klipsch R-100SW, SVS-SB 1000.
After all that, I settled on the Marantz 6007, Revel M16 speakers, and SVS-SB 1000 sub.
The Denon was booming too much with the M16s, but sounded alright with the DBR62s.
Rotel just couldn't drive the M16s like I wanted, and the Yamaha wasn't delivering that crispy sound I was after.
Guess it all comes down to personal taste, but figured I'd share in case it helps someone else out.
Now I'm thinking about room correction, gotta fine-tune this setup.
I thought the Denon sounded ok too with Elacs, but found the Yamaha sounded better (the one that I kept). Isn't the Marantz practically the same amp as the Denon?So, I was really into that Denon PMA-600NE, thinking it was gonna give me the best bang for my buck. But then, I was like, hold up, let's do some A/B tests to really figure out what's gonna rock my 2.1 system. Spent a few weeks doing these tests...
Checked out these amps: Yamaha A-S501, Rotel A11 Tribute, Denon PMA-600NE, Marantz PM6007. And for speakers, I had the ELAC Debut Reference DBR62, Revel M16, Klipsch RP-600M lined up. Subs : Klipsch R-100SW, SVS-SB 1000.
After all that, I settled on the Marantz 6007, Revel M16 speakers, and SVS-SB 1000 sub.
The Denon was booming too much with the M16s, but sounded alright with the DBR62s.
Rotel just couldn't drive the M16s like I wanted, and the Yamaha wasn't delivering that crispy sound I was after.
Guess it all comes down to personal taste, but figured I'd share in case it helps someone else out.
Now I'm thinking about room correction, gotta fine-tune this setup.View attachment 356023
Yep, I had a similar situation. Within a 6 month period I tested out the Rotel A11 Tribute, Denon PMA800 and PMA600 Onkyo 9010 and the Marantz PM6007. I only used one set of speakers namely the Monitor Audio Bronze 200 floorstanders. To keep it short, PMA800 nice but not quite my taste, dry sounding. PMA600 smoother than the PMA800 but a lot of bass although quite well handled. Rotel A11 Trib nicely balanced, quite rich but lacking power, no where near the grunt of either of the two Denons. Onkyo 9010, not bad at all considering the price, big soundstage but a little hard in the upper bass. The Marantz PM6007, balanced sound with good amount of dynamics and detail and enough power to drive my speakers easily. All pretty decent amps to be fair but I settled on the Marantz PM6007 too and then spent around it to squeeze everything out of the amp. Upgraded the speaker cable to Audioquest Rocket 11 with plugs and Chord Clearway X for the Topping E50 and the Creative Audigy FX2 sound card in the PC which is a superb soundcard for any Windows machine and comes with decent software. MCRU Belden/Furutech power cord for the amp and PC as well as iFi power supply for the dac. Completely settled on the sound. I use Spotify a lot and run it through the FXSound app for the extra EQing and the system sounds sublime. Plenty will say cables don’t matter but truth is, they do!So, I was really into that Denon PMA-600NE, thinking it was gonna give me the best bang for my buck. But then, I was like, hold up, let's do some A/B tests to really figure out what's gonna rock my 2.1 system. Spent a few weeks doing these tests...
Checked out these amps: Yamaha A-S501, Rotel A11 Tribute, Denon PMA-600NE, Marantz PM6007. And for speakers, I had the ELAC Debut Reference DBR62, Revel M16, Klipsch RP-600M lined up. Subs : Klipsch R-100SW, SVS-SB 1000.
After all that, I settled on the Marantz 6007, Revel M16 speakers, and SVS-SB 1000 sub.
The Denon was booming too much with the M16s, but sounded alright with the DBR62s.
Rotel just couldn't drive the M16s like I wanted, and the Yamaha wasn't delivering that crispy sound I was after.
Guess it all comes down to personal taste, but figured I'd share in case it helps someone else out.
Now I'm thinking about room correction, gotta fine-tune this setup.View attachment 356023
Maybe they are close, I could hear better the male vocalists with Denon and Marantz (I listen to rock, progressive rock...). but Marantz doesn't boost the low frequencies like Denon.I thought the Denon sounded ok too with Elacs, but found the Yamaha sounded better (the one that I kept). Isn't the Marantz practically the same amp as the Denon?
Switch to Tidal or Qobuz for 16 bit 44100 Hz Quality instead of MP3 and the impact will be much larger than switching powercords!MCRU Belden/Furutech power cord for the amp and PC as well as iFi power supply for the dac. Completely settled on the sound. I use Spotify a lot and run it through the FXSound app for the extra EQing and the system sounds sublime. Plenty will say cables don’t matter but truth is, they do!
No, they are tuned differently. I cannot go into depth at this point but they are quite different in sound.I thought the Denon sounded ok too with Elacs, but found the Yamaha sounded better (the one that I kept). Isn't the Marantz practically the same amp as the Denon?
Its a library thing in my case, Spotify caters more for my flavours and the sound quality from Spotify the the 'very high' setting running through FXSound app is rich and dynamic and far better than Apple Music at the moment as Apple are still withholding the option to customize their EQ leaving presets only which imo always leave alot to be desired. My current set up imo is very well rounded and easy to live with and if I am honest does give me a bit of a wow factor everytime I switch it on, not bad at all for an upper entry level effort in Class A/B.Switch to Tidal or Qobuz for 16 bit 44100 Hz Quality instead of MP3 and the impact will be much larger than switching powercords!
All pretty decent amps to be fair but I settled on the Marantz PM6007 too and then spent around it to squeeze everything out of the amp. Upgraded the speaker cable to Audioquest Rocket 11 with plugs and Chord Clearway X for the Topping E50 and the Creative Audigy FX2 sound card in the PC which is a superb soundcard for any Windows machine and comes with decent software. MCRU Belden/Furutech power cord for the amp and PC as well as iFi power supply for the dac.
Plenty will say cables don’t matter but truth is, they do!