Graph Feppar
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I love wide soundstage, the wider the better for me. Most closed headphones have bad or non-existant soundstage but I read that there are some that have good soundstage width. Yesterday I was in shop and I tried the Sony A1 m2 and they suprised me with how wide the soundstage was, never heard closed can with such width.
I want to get closed or semi open headphone with wide soundstage, I can live with poor diffuse imaging but I hate narrow soundstage. I read that Fostex TH900 and its variants and Sony Z7/Z1R have wide soundstage even though their isolation is kind of weak for closed headphones. I have also read that Audioquest Nighthawk have some soundstage width but others say its narrow so I dont know who to believe.
I am thinking about 1A m2 (200€), the Z7 m2 (660€) and Nighthawks (400€). The 1A m2 is cheap and extremly comfortable, it weights half the weight of other two but I am worried about distortion. I saw measurements for 1R, the 1A predecessor and original 1A and they both had too much sub bass distortion and then distortion spike at 5 KHz probably due to cone breakup mode.
Out of box stock frequency response is irrelevant to me, I would EQ them all to be kind of like HD600 so FR is not a issue but the problem is distortion, you cant EQ distortion out, distortion sucks. Sony puts these ports into their headphones and I saw that Marv from SBAF measure original Z7 with port mod and it lowered bass distortion by massive amount. I also saw solderdude mod the 1R ports and it removed the bass hump, he didnt measure distortion but I expect same bass distortion reduction.
The real issue is that awful 5KHz cone breakup, thats inherent to the driver, playing with ports wont fix that. I saw Z7 m2 measurements and the distortion was much lower than original Z7 or 1R/A. I dont know if Marv mod to reduce the bass distortion further is possible but it doesnt have that 5KHz cancer so thats important.The Nighthawk have super low distortion, but I dont know how wide is its soundstage.
If you could rate the soundstage width from 1 = crappy closed headphone to 10 = HD800, or alternatively from narrowest to widest, how would you rate following headphones? HD6X0, HD800, AKG 701, Nighthawk, 1A m2 ,Z7 m2
I want to get closed or semi open headphone with wide soundstage, I can live with poor diffuse imaging but I hate narrow soundstage. I read that Fostex TH900 and its variants and Sony Z7/Z1R have wide soundstage even though their isolation is kind of weak for closed headphones. I have also read that Audioquest Nighthawk have some soundstage width but others say its narrow so I dont know who to believe.
I am thinking about 1A m2 (200€), the Z7 m2 (660€) and Nighthawks (400€). The 1A m2 is cheap and extremly comfortable, it weights half the weight of other two but I am worried about distortion. I saw measurements for 1R, the 1A predecessor and original 1A and they both had too much sub bass distortion and then distortion spike at 5 KHz probably due to cone breakup mode.
Out of box stock frequency response is irrelevant to me, I would EQ them all to be kind of like HD600 so FR is not a issue but the problem is distortion, you cant EQ distortion out, distortion sucks. Sony puts these ports into their headphones and I saw that Marv from SBAF measure original Z7 with port mod and it lowered bass distortion by massive amount. I also saw solderdude mod the 1R ports and it removed the bass hump, he didnt measure distortion but I expect same bass distortion reduction.
The real issue is that awful 5KHz cone breakup, thats inherent to the driver, playing with ports wont fix that. I saw Z7 m2 measurements and the distortion was much lower than original Z7 or 1R/A. I dont know if Marv mod to reduce the bass distortion further is possible but it doesnt have that 5KHz cancer so thats important.The Nighthawk have super low distortion, but I dont know how wide is its soundstage.
If you could rate the soundstage width from 1 = crappy closed headphone to 10 = HD800, or alternatively from narrowest to widest, how would you rate following headphones? HD6X0, HD800, AKG 701, Nighthawk, 1A m2 ,Z7 m2