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Canton speakers.

Such simplistic black and white way of thinking is rather bad, but it seems you need it.
All ways of thinking has their cons and pros, but in the end I hope Canton improve the mid range distortion and a bit more the directivity in the future (only my opinion), i see a lot of potential there :), good work and people.
 
All ways of thinking has their cons and pros, but in the end I hope Canton improve the mid range distortion and a bit more the directivity in the future (only my opinion), i see a lot of potential there :), good work and people.
I agree, especially on the directivity, although the directivity of the Vento 100 looks already nicer, it is a wider baffle though which also has an influence, would be interesting to compare 2 similar sized models.
 
They look like absolutely lovely speakers, but I can't really speak to them, they're not available in the United States. In any event, stay warm in beautiful Iceland!
 
New canton, very different..
Canton

Karat GS Edition​

Also the mid range looks like a mid range :) 154mm, very interesting
3.500,00 € * (each, i guess)
woofer1 x 257 mm, Cellulose-Graphit
mid drivers2 x 154 mm, Aluminium-Keramik-Wolfram Schwarz (Wave-Sicke, TCC)
tweeter1 x 25 mm, Aluminium Oxyd Keramik
crossover: 130 / 500 / 3100 Hz
Karat_GS_weiss_Beauty_2022.jpg
 
LLooks like they remade this model which i have , Canton karat l800dc, 31cm side woofer and 16.8cm midrange, 42kg, awesome speaker,they need a big space
 

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Karat series was quite popular in the late 90s and early 00s, they had similar configuration with MTM and side woofer, I even owned the M80 DC model for few years back then.
I had the Karat 790.2 DC and then I changed it for Vento 896.2 before the R11, to me the Ventos sounded less boomy and had super wide soundstage. But it didnt had the bass punch of the Karat. But this new Karat is having the Ceramic woofer :facepalm::facepalm:
 
haha , thats a lame argument, how can I possibly fly from europe to US to measure your speakers! Cantons use that same driver in all K series speakers which distorts more than any other brand in 2 to 4kHz region. The Problem is with their flawed ceramic tungsten driver which many times I have listened to with speakers upto 1k.

How this distortion sounds is not like a distortion! when a particular instrument falls into this frequency region, at lower levels the sound of the instrument is right as the cantons freq response is very good.

Once the level is increased , that instruments sound will have an added distortion signal which results in off tone. Meaning you hear that instrument in two different tones depending on the volume level which is unaccceptable for the price they charge. Also that driver is from 2014 and is long overdue for a fix!

I dont care about anything stereo magazine schreibs as they are just another subjective review advertisement website like what cry fi.

Anyway References are quite old now and recently I heard the new Vento 100, to me it sounded really superb, better than the Reference 8k(small tower) which was placed near it. Of course Ventos are huge but price wise they were equals.
Hi
I have Cantons vento 886.2 speakers
Never feel heard such distortion you say. even at different sound pressure levels
Can you explain this better please?
I want to upgrade to vento 100 since with vento series i have very good experience!
 
Hi
I have Cantons vento 886.2 speakers
Never feel heard such distortion you say. even at different sound pressure levels
Can you explain this better please?
I want to upgrade to vento 100 since with vento series i have very good experience!
The Ventos are relatively fine, Only the ones with those Ceramic woofers have this problem which are a level above the Ventos.
 
I’m looking to buy speakers. Been happy with canton ref 9dc, and am eyeing Karat GS. But lookie, black friday comes and kef r7 can be bought for less.

Any input? I like my bass, for sure.
 
Get subs.
 
Get subs.
The thing is I had an audiopro 10» sub. When I got the reference 9dc’s, I sold the sub the next day.

I’m positive subs are better now than ten years ago, but the Karats have 10» woofers.
 
So I bought the Karat GS. Hadn’t heard them, so I put my faith in the local distrubitor, Njål Hansson and the ceo there, Ståle.

paired with topping e50 balanced into two sabaj a20a, playing apple music via usb.

At first, the sound was… a bit harsh. Played some acoustic gitar, and the high notes almost attacked me. But a full bodied sound, and I gave it a week or so.

Dunno if it was break in or me, but something mellowed out. Now I’m as happy as can be:) cannot make any scientific observations, but the treble seems at bit calmer, and the dispersion feels wide yet focused. Midrange is detailed, if a tad on the warm side. Some tracks like MJ’s Dangerous have the voice a little recessed, but clear as day.

But the party trick of these is the bass. Massive, visceral, and comfortably within sub bass range. Easily seperates kick drum from bass guitar. And so lovely having two «subs» :)
 
I had the Karat 790.2 DC and then I changed it for Vento 896.2 before the R11, to me the Ventos sounded less boomy and had super wide soundstage. But it didnt had the bass punch of the Karat. But this new Karat is having the Ceramic woofer :facepalm::facepalm:
Is there any way of knowing if these have the same problems as the reference k’s? They seem to be new drivers after reading press info. I personally don’t hear any issues.
 
That model - I don't know. Other Cantons where measurements are available on line seem to be respectable if not state of the art.
I think Canton's top of the line is Reference line and they are bashed over this site for very high distortion in upper midrange. If they are not 'respected' I wonder what from their line would earn the respect from this forum. @BrokenEnglishGuy Do you think Canton can be called state of the art now? There were a lot of discussions about it, but noone concluded whether they are good or bad. For the price I think there are better speakers available!
 
About 1985, I auditioned a number of speakers, buying an entirely new system. I had a modest budget, looking for bang for the buck. First, I should stress I wasn't kid looking for "impressive" sound, I was 29, classically trained pianist, active musician, I auditioned speakers with choral music, orchestra, and other well-recorded music, not Led Zeppelin.

The local audiophile stereo shop owner like Cantons for the value, the smaller bookshelves were in my target range. But then he played me the CT-1000, I expanded my budget. (I recall the CT-2000 were nice, just way beyond my budget.) I compared these with quite a few speakers, KEFs, B&W, and others, including at another shop. The Cantons were an easy win. I would have had to gone up significantly in price to match them. So at least in 1985, I disagree there were better speakers for the price available. Maybe somewhere in the world, not in the Los Angeles area that I could find.

In case you still think I mean these speakers were just "impressive", and not accurate:

A dozen years later, I was working on an audio product for a company, and the budget studio monitors they gave be were not flat enough for me to do my job. I told a co-worker involved in speaker measurement, who had worked on developing studio monitor for another major company, that I would bring in one of my Cantons, because they were flat. He chuckled, clearly amused, "They're not flat, people think their home speakers are flat, but they're not". I shrugged, brought one in the next day. He came into my office, put some material through them as he listened intently. The music ended, there was a pause of several seconds. Then the words, "They're flat." And we carried on without another word. (The company bought me a pair of Genelecs for my office and the problem was solved.)

I guess those with the speakers in-line are mkII, I have the ones with the midrange and tweeter side-by-side.
 
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