bookshelf speakers for Yamaha stereo receiver

[raindance]

I can’t think of a situation in which biwiring is objectively beneficial.

However there are a few situations in which it may be harmful, though very rare. The amp in question here could provide such a case, if both parts of a speaker were both insensitive and difficult to drive, it could just look like two different insensitive speakers to the amp and fall foul of the warning not to attach two sets of 8 ohm speakers that was quoted earlier.

The usual reason for warning against biwiring is price (with boutique cables), though. I’m pretty sure they are covering that now- I remember seeing a pair of jumper cables to go between bass and treble sections priced in the five figure range for a whole 40cm of wire…

I'm sorry, this reasoning is illogical. It will always look like a single speaker per channel no matter whether you jumper it at the speaker end or the amp end.

 

[Overseas]

Do not mix prices for snake oil into equation, nothing to do.

You tell me jumpers are technically better than biwiring?! Whatever you want to believe, ok.

 

[Galliardist]

I'm sorry, this reasoning is illogical. It will always look like a single speaker per channel no matter whether you jumper it at the speaker end or the amp end.

Lack of clarity on my part here. If you attach both wires to the same output on the amplifier, you're correct of course. I was thinking of @JktHifi's proposal, using one set of speaker outputs for each wire. Then, the sections of the speaker may look like different speakers to the amp.

As the total load would still be the same, it would depend on how the two outputs are set up: and you're probably already in difficulty with single wiring. And if there;'s just switches for the speaker pairs, still the same, as you say.

 

[Galliardist]

Do not mix prices for snake oil into equation, nothing to do.

You tell me jumpers are technically better than biwiring?! Whatever you want to believe, ok.

Single and biwiring, assuming that correct cable is used, should be identical in practice in all but a tiny number of possible edge cases. So not technically better... you're simply splitting the signal at the other end of the cable.

 

[gregor]

@gregor I believe you didn't search hard enough.
Price in Germany for example starting from 360€ pair with free shipping (in Germany of course). As I don't know where are you from nor import tax/shipping cost.

https://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/200326522_-debut-reference-dbr62-schwarz-holz-elac.html

Measurements for speaker Elac Debut Reference DBR-62

www.spinorama.org

Interesting.

I will check these shops later. Maybe they do not sell to Slovenia.

Thanks

 

[gregor]

For Europe jump on this

Classic 3.0 Retoure

Perfekt auflösender Zwei-Wege-Regallautsprecher mit kraftvollem Klang Perfekt für kleine bis mittelgroße Räume

www.projekt-akustik.de

If it will be in white color...

 

[Overseas]

Single and biwiring, assuming that correct cable is used, should be identical in practice in all but a tiny number of possible edge cases. So not technically better... you're simply splitting the signal at the other end of the cable.

Wait, what... identical?! I thought biwiring is nonsense...

 

[Willem]

Interesting.

I will check these shops later. Maybe they do not sell to Slovenia.

Thanks

But be careful, some of these prices are for single speakers, and some are in fact for a different model. But 359 euros should be possible.

 

[Overseas]

Belief has nothing to do with it. Here's 5 pages of information for you to read.

Help with biwiring logic

Dynaudios are some of the most power hungry speakers, still they only use a single pair of binding posts.

www.audiosciencereview.com

Jim

Happy to read. Decided to overkill. No money for snake oil.

 

[JktHifi]

Lack of clarity on my part here. If you attach both wires to the same output on the amplifier, you're correct of course. I was thinking of @JktHifi's proposal, using one set of speaker outputs for each wire. Then, the sections of the speaker may look like different speakers to the amp.

As the total load would still be the same, it would depend on how the two outputs are set up: and you're probably already in difficulty with single wiring. And if there;'s just switches for the speaker pairs, still the same, as you say.

Not all people get the benefit of bi-wiring. It could be the speaker cable, cross-over inside the speaker, etc.

 

[Galliardist]

Wait, what... identical?! I thought biwiring is nonsense...

I didn’t say that

…but it sort of follows that using twice as much wire as needed is a bit pointless.

I don’t advise people to adopt it. However, if you have done it and have a subjective preference, I wouldn’t change to single wiring because there’s no objective difference either. If you’re curious you could always test for a measured difference and see where it takes you.

 

[Willem]

Not all people get the benefit of bi-wiring. It could be the speaker cable, cross-over inside the speaker, etc.

Would you care to explain the science behind this statement?

 

[raindance]

Do not mix prices for snake oil into equation, nothing to do.

You tell me jumpers are technically better than biwiring?! Whatever you want to believe, ok.

This forum is about science, not uninformed beliefs.

 

[Overseas]

So science says feeding separately is ALWAYS worse than jumpers.

 

[Overseas]

I am not anti ASR.
But you call hearing = belief, really?

 

[JktHifi]

Would you care to explain the science behind this statement?

I don't have the science. It's only my personal experience.
But you have to play it loud to hear the difference. The louder, the clearer the bass separated from the vocal/treble. That's why I don't need sub because wasting money, for me.

 

[Overseas]

Yeap, speaker filters and crossover of course matter.

 

[Galliardist]

So science says feeding separately is ALWAYS worse than jumpers.

No.

 

[Overseas]

No.

Good.
Strange thing is I got a feeling in the absence of formal science.

 

[gregor]

Hello again

If I go one or two steps lower.

Which speakers do you recommend for around 300 EUR / USD?

Thank you

Kind regards